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NRG-5 Emergency Rations: What do you think?

Some time ago I was talking to a friend of mine who had recently bought a box of BP-ER Emergency Food.

https://www.amazon.es/Emergency-Exteriores-campamentos-Supervivencia-situaciones/dp/B07NPWBN1V

By this time I was doing my research on emergency food as well, but I thought that NRG-5 Emergency Rations where better:

https://www.amazon.es/Tactical-OPS-Alimentos-Emergencia-Emergency/dp/B08WCQ8MGV/ref=sr_1_12?dchild=1&keywords=nrg-5&qid=1617536159&sr=8-12

My friend got the BP-ER because he had read that they tasted better and had better long-life (Althought the lot of NRG-5 I bought lasted even more than him’s). I bet for the NRG-5 because they had better nutritional values that other rations (I mean, minerals and vitamins).

We could met and tasted them. My friend was right, BP-ER are tastier (as long as emergency food could be) and they had better looking than NRG-5. We tried to feed the ducks at the park we were meeting and they seemed to dislike both of them. On the other hand, my 2-year-old girl, love them.

I’m still with the NRG-5 because of the nutritional values. The only thing that really bothers me about the NRG-5 is that they are not Coast Guard approved. I checked this using the instructions you gave in this post:

https://theprepared.com/gear/reviews/ration-bars/

Resuming: Does anybody tried NRG-5 and, if you do, what do you think about them?

Thank you very much.

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What have you shot before and what were the results?

I was reading The Prepared’s latest article titled What common or household objects will stop bullets? and it got me thinking about all the things I have shot before.

I’ve enjoyed shooting soup cans and old milk jugs full of water. Much more satisfying than your traditional paper target. There are a few memorable objects I have remembered shooting however.

While in college, my friends and I drove out to a local outdoor trash gun range to test and destroy some things. The first was a DIY silencer using a pillow. This is something I’ve seen in a few movies before where the person places a pillow in front of their gun and can take people down without any noise. 

I took an old pillow and taped it around my .22lr rifle and set up an audio recorder so we could compare the volume levels on the computer to see exactly how quiet it actually made it. From what I remember, it didn’t help at all. 

While out on that same trip, my roommate had an ancient laptop that he didn’t want to throw away and have someone take his data. So we helped him destroy the laptop with a few rounds of our guns. Probably not the smartest thing to be shooting at a laptop battery… Can’t remember if we removed it before or not. 

The last memorable thing that I’ve shot before is a cheap plastic disposable water bottle. Normally these would be absolutely destroyed by every round possible, but I had a few rounds of rat/snake shot that I wanted to try. It’s a pretty neat round and is filled with little pellets like a shot gun shell, but in a .22lr form factor. (here’s a random internet picture of one)

When I shot this at a plastic bottle, it went through the outside and many pellets didn’t make it out the back side, resulting in the bottle capturing the little pellets inside the bottle. Has anyone actually used one of these rounds on a rat or snake? I don’t feel like it has much power to actually kill it and that sounds kind of mean to have a wounded critter running around.

Anyways… What all have you guys shot before besides paper or steel targets? I think this will help us gain a sense of what will happen if we get in a fire fight with a bad guy inside our homes. From The Prepared’s article, it sounds like pretty much everything in our home will react like a paper target during a shoot out.

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2020 National Household [Preparedness] Survey

I stumbled across this while grabbing some CERT training materials. Not new, but interesting data about the changes in US preparedness culture. Given that this was written back in September of 2020, I’m interested to see how much this data may have changed in the wake of the intervening 3-6 months of the pandemic and vaccination efforts.

Overall, the estimated number of preparedness actions taken has increased from 2019.
68% of NHS respondents have taken 3 or more of the 6 basic preparedness actions; an increase of 6% from 2019.
For the second year in a row, the percentage of people reporting four of the six basic actions increased.
The number of people who indicated that they talked to others about getting prepared increased from 45% to 48%.
The number of people who indicated they participated in an emergency drill increased from 49% to 56%.
NHS data shows that, when individuals indicate that they’ve taken one preparedness action, we can expect that they will take additional preparedness actions.
NHS data shows that preparedness actions can vary by stage of preparedness, hazard areas, and even demographics. As such, customizing preparedness messaging based on these factors will likely result in more effective messaging.

2020 NHS Data Digest: Summary Results

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Heat wave vs my food/water stores

It’s gonna be real darn warm in Seattle/Puget Sound. The water storage article says that heat is one of the main enemies of water storage, and I can’t find the spec right now but remember reading that upgrade pick for food supply is best stored between something like 50 and 65 degrees F.

My home, like many in Seattle, has no A/C — should I expect my food & water stores to go bad? The water I can change out post-heatwave (a hassle, but possible), but the food stores can only be replaced by re-purchasing. As climate change continues, I expect temperature changes to become more extreme, and I don’t know how to mitigate the effect of these temperature changes against my food/water stores without a full HVAC system.

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Fall gardening – great food + great practice for survival gardens

I love to garden & especially love growing food in the fall.  Seems like all the fall crops are just super nutritious and so easy to grow, such as kale, collards, turnip greens, broccoli, peas, etc.  I find them easy due to the fall weather.  You plant them early in the fall, when it is still a bit warm out.  The seeds quickly germinate in the warm soil.  Then as it cools, the cool loving plants thrive as the warm loving weeds, disease & insects go away.  You can grow the same crops in the spring, but I find them harder to grow because the timing is opposite.  In the spring, the seeds might struggle germinating in the cool soil and as the plant matures, it warms up and the weeds, disease & insects attack.

As a prepper, I think it vital to practice growing what might be essential during a severe crisis.  In such a crisis, growing food during the ENTIRE growing season will be necessary… thus the need to produce nutritious food in the cool weather.

Curious what others here are currently growing?  Right now I’m growing Tuscan (Lacinato) kale and collards.  In the past have grown turnip greens, mustard greens, broccoli & snow peas.  The most mature kale leaves are about a foot long & ready to be picked.  Tonight will cook them like an Italian creamed spinach with parmesan cheese.

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Survival, prepping and ageing (and we are all ageing)

I keep a running list of prep related topics on my desk, beside my computer. Ideas and thoughts are jotted down and crossed off as they are written about.

This topic has been on my list for a while now. I tried ignoring it and even regretted noting it. I didn’t want to write about survival, prepping and ageing as the sole domain of a 55 plus topic.

I added “and we are all ageing” to the topic title, because this topic is for all of you, regardless of your age. Every day, we all age.

I wanted this post to be for everyone because every day if you are alive, you are ageing. The issue of ageing is one that must be considered by preppers. There will be needs and priorities that change with age and this will affect how you prep.

None of us know how long we are going to live nor how we are going to age as time passes.

We hope to remain vital and independent, until one day, when we are really old, they roll us out of our home feet first and straight to a funeral home. Instead of a long drawn out death in a care home or hospital, our bodies had the good sense to pack it in while we slept, thereby avoiding any pain or awareness of our death.

Some days when I feel much younger than my years, I think my final, feisty words to the ambulance attendant will be “not without my BOB.”

It is necessary to understand how ageing affects us from without and within in order to prepare and cope with the changes that happen as we age.

Age is relative, like money, power and beauty. The similarity among all of them ends there. 

Age marches steadily on from the time of our birth. Regardless of our place in society, power, beauty, wealth or lack of thereof, age is the great leveller on the playing field we call “life.”

There is also the issue of ageism to contend with. One day life is normal but one birthday too many, and people are treating you like the village idiot. 

Ageism is usually accompanied by its nasty buddy, patronization. For those who haven’t had the joy of this experience, just wait. The first time someone calls you “ma’am” or “sir,” your head will spin around to look for whom they are talking to.

One day you will hear the words “at your age” or “you’re doing well for your age” directed at you. Those words aren’t compliments. You have just been categorized and neatly filed away into someone’s mental “cabinet of preconceived notions.”

At that moment, you will realize that people are making judgements about you because of how you look. It will hurt because you know they will go no further to actually get to know you. You have just lost a part of your identity and entered a shadow world, where the aged are treated differently and often barely tolerated. 

You also realize that it is happening sooner than you thought it would.

There is a part of you that worries about how you will now be regarded in a disaster by preppers and non-preppers alike. It is what I call the “ice flow” moment, where you see yourself gently floating down the water on a chunk of ice because the tribe of survivors no longer considers you of any value.

Age does not necessarily bring wisdom any more than youth experiences the best years of their lives. But age can bring experience, depending on the life one has lived. The history of the person, their experience, is the greatest teacher. If they happen to be wise and can offer insight about their experience, consider it a bonus. Not everyone learns from their experiences.

It’s amazing how age can assert itself when you least expect it.

When my husband and I work on projects outdoors, people notice. This time I actually had a neighbor from the senior’s apartment across the street comment: “I don’t know how you do it. I could never care for a property the way you do.”

It was nice to hear the compliment, but he doesn’t realize how conscious we are that everything we are able to do today could be gone tomorrow. One stroke, or other health issue could change everything. That is true for all of us regardless of our current age.

In the last several days, I planted annuals and we put in a 7-foot garden fence. It was a long, nonstop push to “get ‘er done” before the forecasted high heat arrives.  We lugged heavy weight, shovelled and drove posts in with a post pounder.

As I drove the post pounder down, I wondered should I be doing this at my age? It’s a ridiculous question. Instead, I chose to focus the sheer joy of physical labor in the fresh air.

“Should I be doing this at my age” is a question that you will find yourself asking throughout your life. It originates from the “committee in your head.” They are an opinionated, judgmental little group consisting of every negative comment ever directed at us or that we have directed toward ourselves. It is criticism and judgement personified.

As I worked outside the years fell away, and I felt like I could do this forever, that is until I stopped working for the day. That’s when the pain and reality set in. Then I rested and went out and did it all over again the next day. The alternative is to give up the pieces of myself that function because of muscle soreness and a cranky back. 

One of the hard parts about ageing is observing how your peers are ageing. I look at people in my peer group and it isn’t so much about how they look. It is more about how old they act. It’s like they have given up on living and are just waiting around to die. They are teaching me because of how they are choosing to live through their experience of ageing.

Prepping as we age is about adaptation. It is knowing when to adapt in our youth in order to avoid injury that can cause problems like osteoarthritis later in life. 

In the garden, I realized that the raised beds need to be raised much higher, like trug style planters for salad type crops. I need to alleviate the strain on a prematurely arthritic back. (Note, you can acquire physical conditions that are normally considered age related at a much earlier stage of life.)

I use positional changes as I work to avoid straining certain parts of my body. Walking it out intermittently as I work helps to prevent strain and injury.

My future plans are to raise certain items, like the refrigerator, for easier maintenance. I plan to avoid falls and minimize stair climbing by revamping storage upstairs. Moving items to and from the basement to the main floor will be handled with a simple basket and pulley system.

Some days I wonder if there will come a time when I make a conscious choice to stop prepping. 

I don’t like being vulnerable. Prepping has represented independence and strength to me. I hope to stay prepared and vital to the end and adaptation is the best chance for me, and you, to do so.

How are you adapting and changing your prepping as you age?

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Article: A “secretive ‘prepping’ community

https://www.wral.com/secretive-prepping-community-growing-amid-pandemic-racial-unrest/19723456/

Good morning,

Above link tells what others are doing in re preparedness.

Regarding North Carolina, “the triangle” not necessarily referencing the famous research triangle.

Article features “Preppernet”.

Charlotte, North Carolina is not in “Hurricane Alley”.  A hot shower is dangerous during a hurricane in Hurricane Alley. A tree could be arriving at one’s dwelling wall at 50 mph. Stay dressed for evac !

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DIY ranger bands – the ultimate prepping rubber band

The wife’s bike got a flat tire this week so I saw it as another opportunity to make some more ranger bands. What is a ranger band? It’s a great prepping fastener along the lines with duct tape, super glue, and paracord. Pretty much it is a piece of bicycle inner tube cut into a strong and durable rubber band that can be used to secure gear together. 

Now for a bunch of uses from random people on the internet:

Many people attach ranger bands to the sheaths of their knives so that they can attach additional gear to them like a ferro rod.

Although I’ve never tried it before, they are supposedly flammable and are a source of tinder. Here is someone using ranger bands to strap a flash light to a rifle, and another picture of more gear strapped to a knife sheath.

You can use ranger bands to add some more grip to something like a knife or flashlight too when placed around the handle.

I’ve used ranger bands in all sorts of cases from adding some additional rubber bump protection on some gear so it doesn’t get scratched, securing multiple items together, or using as a strong rubber band to hold containers shut.

The diameter of the inner tube you use will determine the diameter of your ranger band. I tend to use the 1.75″ diameter bands the most but there are all sorts of sizes such as 1/2″, 1″, 1.75″, 2.50″ all the way up to motorcycle tubes.

When cutting your inner tube, vary the width of each band and don’t cut them all the same size. Make some super thin, some the width of your finger (my most commonly used) but also make some 1″, 2″, 3″ or even 4″ wide bands that can be slid over various things. And don’t cut up the entire tube in one sitting, leave about 1/4 of the tube left over so if you have a specific need case you can cut to the length you want. For example, see that last picture of the ranger band knife handle? You could cut a piece of tube the length of the handle and have one solid piece instead of three separate pieces like that guy did, if you want.

I’ve turned popped tubes into ranger bands from bikes we have had, but also have gone to a local bike shop and they had a trash can full of used tubes and I could pick whatever size I wanted. 

I tend to like the cheaper tubes better for ranger bands that can be stretched out more than the really thick puncture proof tubes.

Not bad for a free prep where a standard 26″ bike tube will give you a whole sandwich baggie full of bands. Or you can buy 48 bands from Walmart for $18.

Does anyone else make or use these? What use cases can you see yourself using them in?

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Is there a place for memorabilia, family heirlooms and keepsakes during any bug out scenario?

Before I found TP and started prepping seriously, I spent years making various attempts at emergency preparedness by using a combination of various websites and my own thinking. (When push came to shove it turned out that I was completely unprepared and that’s when I went looking for a better resource.)

During that time, I had seen some bug out lists suggesting that we take precious family keepsakes with us if we had to bug out.  Then I found TP and the advice here is forget the keepsakes. If you have to flee from a wildfire you need to focus on saving your and your loved ones’ lives. Besides, what are you going to do with an album of family pictures if you have to go on foot? Upload the pictures to the internet and leave the originals at home. Etc. Accordingly, the TP BOB lists don’t make any mention of keepsakes.

But now I’m revisiting that guideline. I’m wondering if there is a place for important family objects and/or pictures in some bug out scenarios? What if we’re leaving early, well ahead of the disaster? Might we assume that we’re not going to be forced to walk? Might it make sense to have a plan to grab some precious items? If that’s so, it seems to me that this is better planned ahead.

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A question for Californians with electric stoves/ranges

This is another version of my question from last year (?) about cooking in a disaster scenario, but now the scenario I have in mind is much more frequently occurring. I’m currently shopping for a new (to me) gas range, or oven, whatever you call those things that have burners on top and an oven underneath. I love having a gas stove, but I know that they will be being phased out in the next few years. Here in California and probably in some other parts of the West, it’s pretty common now during fire season for the electricity to be turned off to prevent fires. This is also exactly the time when we are supposed to avoid generating sparks outside, so it’s not safe to cook on the porch with your camping stove. 

This has been occurring so frequently lately that it’s hardly even a disaster scenario. I’m usually unaffected by this problem because I can always light my gas range manually. (Plus I like the control a gas range gives me much more than electric). But if we are all going to be using electric ranges soon, how are we supposed to cook during fire season electrical outages? Many of you no doubt already face this problem. Would you share how you’ve dealt with it?

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What’s the favorite women’s underwear you’d use in an emergency, in your BOB, or SHTF scenario, and why?

Since we women and/or people with breasts and vulvas have a greater variety of body shapes and needs, I think it would be helpful if we include as many details as we’re comfortable in sharing, such as bust and hips sizes, what you’re looking for in a bra or panties, does the material matter, would you change your selection between winter and summer, etc? If we keep a standard format it might be easier to find suggestions. I’ll propose the following format, but we could adjust/edit according to what you folks think.

Bust: 35 in (34A)
Hips: 36.5 in (M)

What I look for in a bra: My bust is not particularly large so I only need light support so my boobs don’t dance around too much when walking or hiking and my nipples don’t rub into the fabric of my top. I want a bra that’s not tight (don’t we all!) and is comfortable to wear all day long, but also that doesn’t dig into my flesh when I carry a backpack. However, my under bust is slightly larger than average, and so my biggest issue is that bras that are a great fit for my bust dig into my underbust, or if they are a great fit for my underbust, they are too large for my bust.

Favorite bra: Patagonia Barely Everyday Bra. 
PROS: This is so far the bra/lette that hits all the spots for me. Light support, breathable, comfortable when wearing a pack (as it’s a bralette it doesn’t have hooks in the back that are usually uncomfortable) and, most importantly, the elastic part under the bra is not tight at all, while still being elastic enough to keep my boobs in check. The first time I wore it camping I even forgot to take it off when I went to bed! 
CONS: It takes ages to dry! Ok, not ages, but slightly longer than I would like. A full day vs few hours, if that makes sense.

What I look for in panties: Mainly, four things: Is the crotch wide enough to keep me entirely covered when walking? I also suffer from cold butt syndrome, so if I camp or sleep outside I always keep my panties on. This means that I’m looking for panties that are generous in covering my whole butt. I usually go for either bikini, hipster, or shorts styles, but bikinis seems to be the most versatile and are the types I keep in my BOB. Thirdly, I want seams that are not too tight around my leg or waist, and that don’t chafe when walking for a long time. Lastly, are they breathable?

Favorite panties: Patagonia Barely Bikini Underwear. Breathable, the seams are super comfortable, and they cover everything generously. Interestingly, they have a round seam around the legs but they don’t dig in at all!
REI Co-op Active Bikini Underwear. Same as above: comfortable, super light, and they cover everything fine. I wear them quite often and after a couple of years I’ve noticed that the seams around the legs and waist started looking as if stretched out. I say “as if” beacuse the performance does not seem affected at all. I’m wondering if they are going to fail soon, or not. In comparison, this is not the case with the abovementioned Patagonia Barely underwear.

Mention of shame: Smartwool Seamless Bikini Underwear. I had to add this because I was shocked by the poor design of these panties. They are very comfortable and breathable, but the crotch is so narrow that I had to throw them away –  they were useless even when wearing them at home!

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Items with multiple uses – Lighten the BOB by using these!

What are some items that have multiple uses which can help cut down on the shear number of items to prep for or lighten a bug-out-bag?

Or what are some modifications you have made to some items to allow them to be used in different ways?

Here are some I have done:

Took a file to the back side of my knife so that it can be used as a ferro rod striker. I have a Glock 22, which is normally a .40 caliber gun. I have a conversion barrel that I can swap out the stock barrel in less than 15 seconds and the gun will now shoot 9mm. 2 different caliber guns in one package! Fresnel lens, can be used to magnify what you are looking at for like first aid or used to start a fire. I have a small credit card sized one in my wallet, and also got a large sheet sized one at Dollar Tree for a dollar.  Tarps! I love tarps! I have like a dozen from when Harbor Freight gave them out as a free item with every purchase. Shelter, protect the car seats from pet hair, used to signal, collect water, and so many more uses!  I’ve thought about replacing my shoe laces with paracord, but heard that it is too slick of a rope to hold a shoe lace knot well. Have any of you done this? Another one I like is the alcohol wipes in your first aid kit can be used as an extremely flammable fire starter, sanitize your knife, or clean up your eating utensils. I love these little things. Read More
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What do you think about a modular bug out bag?

I’m trying to create the perfect system for a bug out bag and was wanting some advice. So tear this apart and let me know what you think. Am I onto something here? Or is there something I’m overlooking that will get me killed?

The Problem:

Current bug out bag recommendations from places I’ve seen tend to lean a bit to the ‘bug out to the woods’ side of things. But I’m thinking that if a hurricane is coming my way, I am more likely to bug out to a hotel in a neighboring city. But then I don’t want to only have a bug out bag set up for hotel living and if a different disaster comes where I do need to bug out to the woods, then I don’t want to have to be rearranging my entire bag to be able to survive that way.

My crazy hair-brained scheme:

I’m thinking about creating a modular bug out bag system. I’ll have my main pack with essentials like toiletries, map, water filtration, and more. But then I’ll have different modules next to it that I can quickly add to my main pack according to the disaster I’m bugging out to. For example, lets say I’m bugging out to a hotel and the weather is on the colder side of the year. I would then grab my hotel module and my cold weather module and stick it in the bag and go.

These modules can be color coded and/or labeled with big pictures of what they are used for and be something simple like a gallon waterproof plastic bag or a small case.

Why this might work:

I know that time is of the essence, but I don’t think that an additional minute of grabbing a module, putting it in the bag, and zipping the bag shut will be that critical. And with this design, I won’t be carrying unnecessary things that I don’t need and have the perfect load out for my situation. I’m not going to be carrying around fire starting and cooking stuff if I’m bugging out to a hotel, or carrying USB cables and other plushy things that would be useless in a camping scenario. 

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Article: “The M.R.E. Finds a Civilian Fan Base”

Good morning,

In Wednesday’s 9 June 21 New York Times, the Food Section leads off with an article about M.R.E.s.  by Priva Krishna. I can’t link article because it’s paywalled.  I can guess in a few days, it will be on a web search enging.  

It’s a light-reading article leading with a large picture of various components to include the heater.

Intro para startes with mention of a store in Gainesville, Georgia (ATTN: Dog Lover and TITW) that had substantial business expansion due the pandemic.

A couple of good points for research if a student of MREs;

There is a Defense Combat Feeding Division in Natick, Massachuettes.  Sometimes these organizations have well=established public information offices where inquiries can be made for your research.

Some of the packed foods in the pouches get an additional infusion of vitamins and minerals and etc.  The beef jerky is fortified with caffine and “the applesauce contains maltodextrin, which provides and energy boost”.

“and the flameless ration heater”

For the record, I don’t stock MREs.  My foods are tailored to involve different and frequently changing scenarios. Honey, coffee, espresso and chocolate are my base survival foods.

Also for the record, the flameless ration heater doesn’t substitute for coffee-making.

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Still shooting high even after adjusting my rifle scope

I just put a new VX-3HD scope on my AR15. I got the scope bore sighted, but my first shots at 100yds were really high. I adjusted the scope down and to my surprise, the shots were higher. Now, before someone says, I did turn the elevation knob in the correct direction. Any suggestions?

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Chainlink fencing; Know thy area and beyond

PETROCHEMICAL SECURITY FENCING

Good morning,

Above links to industry association website.  Well worth surfing around their entire site. Above is set up (I hope !) to display their security fencing for petrochemical industry. Obviously, it’s for a sophisticated audience of users but link has many useful charts along with their narrative.

Item inventories to install an important fence privides principles good for preppers to rely on … eg have the hardware and tools ready for project.

Look for Table 3 “Mesh Sizes and Gauges”.  I believe it’s at petrochem section.  Regardless, surf around entire site.  The charts are real good.

At different industy section of website there’s a chart listing tennis courts.  I can guess they’re up there with nuclear power plants for importance. 

Hopefully you find the surfing around time a good learning experience.

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TP team on break the rest of June

Just letting ya’ll know that a few babies are being born over the next few weeks, so our small team is taking the rest of June off to spend time with family after this insane last year and a half.

So there won’t be many new articles until July.

But the twice-weekly news roundups will continue as normal, and forum moderators are still on duty.

Hope you’re enjoying the start of your summer! 🙂

– John, Tom, Gideon, Carlotta, and Josh

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Medical Alert bracelets

https://www.medicalert.org/product/catalog/medical-ids

Good morning,

Above links to the Medical Alert Foundation. Clicking on above hyperlink brings you to page of the pictures of the various types of bracelets they sell.  Am only posting this for the exposure to the different types and their logo, a modified caducous … the snake and the shaft.

This basic info is good to know about. The only big headache I’ve ever run into is what MedAlert Foundation calls the “Advanced Directive/DNR (Do Not Recisitate) bracelet. Virginia’s name is “DDNR” – Durable Do Not Resesitate. “Advanced directives can be viewed as a different topic.  It is a messy matter here to prepare both. Was told Virginia does not recognize out of state bracelets.

Besides knowing about these types of bracelets – and following one’s health care provider … or a Paramedic friend’s recommendation … I recommend carrying in one’s wallet business card or even old appointment card of one or more of your health care providers (eg doc, DDS, optical, VA).

Definitely staple a current business card of one’s health care providers into CDC 731 – the yellow shot/jab pamphlet for documenting certain specific-important types of shots/jabs like Yellow Fever. The CDC 731 pamphlet is somewhat internationally standardized since it’s an international requirement for travel to certain destinations.  If you glance at your COVID card, you’ll see a similiar frontal format of logo.

The origins of these medical alert bracelets go back to 19th century but common to use the World War ! trench warfare era of identification bracelet with name only.  Later, especially in US World War II participation, blood type and Rh factor added but placed on a dog tag around a neck chain.

Foot Note: Don’t look for or wear a bracelet with “I am an alcoholic. In case of emergency get me a beer”. Some aspects of life are inherently understood.  Avoid information overload.

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Minimizing bug out bag weight

I’m interested in any tips or advice others would like to share about minimizing bug out bag pack-weight without sacrificing the quality and usefulness of gear. While I really appreciate the gear reviews, basic no-nonsense information and the kit builder feature on this website I also know that the  pack-weight of 41.7lbs listed for a bug out bag on this site isn’t realistic for me to carry. I’m a farmer and very active but carrying something that weighs a quarter of my body weight over any distance more than 5-10 miles would most likely result in some type of soft tissue damage or other complications that would be disadvantageous in an emergency situation where I would have to bug out farther than that distance to be safe (and I like to play on the safe side and assume I would have to bug out at least part-way if not all the way on foot). Currently my bug-out bag which contains the essentials I feel I need weighs about 27lbs (not including a full 2L water reservoir) because I look mainly at ultra-light camping gear for traditionally heavy items (ultra-light gear can be pricier to obtain the same high quality but it is worth it for me in the weight savings category).

There is a lot of discourse on how to reduce pack-weight for long distance hikers that I read before building my kit since I knew pack-weight would be a concern but only some of that can translate to a bug out bag because the expectations for the kits are incredibly different. I  have never seen any discourse by preppers about reducing pack weight despite the fact that if you can’t actually carry it-you aren’t getting out of an emergency situation anytime soon with the things you need to bug out with the most. Thank you in advance for any suggestions or tips!

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Some basic disaster alert news sites

Good morning,

A couple of days ago was discussing with LBV of New Zealand, their current major alert re floods and evacuations.

Had mentioned that “… had been following … “.

News like the New Zealand emergency is not something I sought scanning the world news.  I just have some automatically-generated emails from web sites I enrolled in (all no-cost). Much can be learned by following our industry news on these events.

Here’s some sites I’m involved with:

–  relief web – This is a UN office for coordination of humanitarian affairs. Surfing around their overall site will introduce one to the varios and many responder organizations.  

–  Devex . com – This site provides much news re disasters and the tangents like governmental funding.

Both above sites do have a clearly allocated space on the political spectrum. Please avoid the politics and just keep up with the locations, countries and types of disasters. The UN’s “relief web” site is NYC-based.  Devex is based in Washington, D.C.

Not a responder type site but my favorite for “real world operations” is – insurance journal . com – . These are the folks who work the real resiliency matters, the insured claims and business commentary to the authorities. It is my favorite.

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Does an off-grid future exist?

Hello pepper community. I have recently taken a great interest in prepping and how prepping is a way future-proof ourselves. 

Like many others, the development of AI concerns me. I often idealise going off-grid today to live in tune with nature. I am interested to know if you think this idealisation will exist in the future. I imagine more and more land becoming privatised for other peppers and borders being drawn. Maybe we will have to make applications to go to these privatised areas which are removed from AI. What do you imagine?

No wrong answers! I am keen to hear from how others imagine a future off-grid life to look like. 

Thanks!

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The need to be self sufficient and not rely on others. How to take your home off-grid

My wife and I have been looking at houses recently, and our desire to be off-grid and self reliant is a major factor we are considering. We declined a house that was pretty nice because it wasn’t able to be made off-grid and we would always have to be reliant on someone else and their prices and supply. Got me thinking about this topic and I wanted to brain storm some ideas.

There may come a time when gas (propane, natural gas), electricity, gasoline/diesel, and even water are in short supply. As we have seen in the news over the past year prices and supply is very fragile and can’t always be relied on to be available and at a low cost. Take Texas just this year where electricity was unavailable for many during the middle of winter, and if it was the prices were jacked up 10,000% leaving people with a $9,000 electricity bill for the month. That is just wrong…

We need to look at our lives especially when we see it happening to others on the news, and know that it can and probably will happen to us. Call your power company and ask what your rates are. Are they locked in? Or will you have a couple thousand dollar electricity bill with no warning if there is a shortage?

What happens if there is a gasoline shortage and you have to still keep up your 45 minute commute everyday or risk losing your job and then your home?

How will you cook if the natural gas is out because someone crashed into a pipeline and you can no longer use your stove or oven?

Or even worse, what if an EMP or other SHTF disaster happens and water, gas, and electricity are all knocked out at once for everyone? Are you just going to freeze, not be able to eat, or live in darkness?

Lets do something about it and not be a victim! Please contribute your thoughts on each section and lets come up with some real solutions for people. Share what your utility setup is like and how you would like to make it more self reliant, others can then give feedback and help you out.

Gas (propane, natural gas)

The house we were looking at this week had the furnace and oven/stove ran on natural gas that had to be pumped in from the city on demand. The question we had is, is there a way to convert a house to run on propane? We would like to get one of those 1000 gallon propane tanks that we fill up once a year. That way we wouldn’t be as reliant on the grid and could possibly have a couple months worth of fuel for cooking and heating, hopefully enough time for things to settle down and supply to get back to where it was. Does anyone know if you can convert a natural gas home to propane? What does that process look like? All new piping and appliances? Or can you just buy an adapter and screw your pipe lines into a propane tank? A propane grill, propane space heater and a month’s worth of propane can help you to keep cooking and stay warm Look into alternatives for cooking, heating, and light with kerosene. Solar oven for cooking

Electricity

Getting a generator to keep your fridge and lights on. Having solar panels, portable solar chargers, battery banks, etc… Have heat and cooking sources that don’t rely on electricity Lanterns, flashlights, and headlamps Maybe something like a large portable battery like the Jackery? Has anyone tried something like this?

 
Gasoline and Diesel

Learning how to hypermile. A way to get 100mpg out of a car that usually only gets 30. If fuel is scarce or overly expensive, learning how to get the most mpg (or kpg for you UK folks). Storing gas. Alternative transportation methods like public transportation, biking, or a motorcycle

Water

Rain catchment Storing water Using baby wipes instead of showering

 

I’m not prepared for any lack of supply of my utilities, but want to do something about it

Who is off-grid? What did you do to get there?

Who wants to be off-grid? What is something you can do to be a bit more self reliant?

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How to overcome differences in opinion with your partner on food storage

Usually the title of this thread is “How do I get my spouse on board?” or similar. I wanted to go at the topic a little differently this time and talk a little about how my wife and I over years have learned to complement each other WRT food storage and hear how you all do it.

We are a “traditional” one income family. I’ve been working from home for 25 years or so and she’s been mopping around me. Our kids are raised and gone. Temperamentally I worry about things and the future and she worries about people and the present. I’m a ‘buy one good thing’ type and she is a budget-minded, needs-based, lowest-price shopper. I’m also of a “stock-up” mindset while she is more of a “just-in-time” shopper. It isn’t that we have philosophical differences as much as she is a creature of habits and schedules and I’m a little less ‘structured’ shall we say.

Take our groceries. I could harp and carp endlessly about stock what you use and first in – first out and believe me I did in the younger days, but it just doesn’t stick because that just isn’t how she thinks. She doesn’t reject the premise of having a pantry, she in fact likes the benefits: fewer trips, cheaper in bulk, and of course, in the past year bragged that our shelves have what the store doesn’t— but, it just isn’t her natural mode to buy three cans of peaches if we’re only going to use one before she goes to the store again on Monday.

So I just do my thing and she does hers. She shops once every couple of weeks just like clockwork and every so often I tag along. When she puts in a can of peaches I add 2 more. When we get home I do the shelf stocking, rotating, etc. No biggie, in fact it is as soothing to me as hay in the barn.

Long term food storage is my thing alone. We have a good amount of canned foods and staples good for a few months to a year. But because we eat a lot of fresh food there is only so much one can reasonably stock and still rotate. My wife is an awesome baker but the bakery is pretty convenient so we just don’t use as much flour for example as we might if baked goods were not available. In a long term situation we’d run low within months using up regularly rotated staples. So we have some long term storage.

We store seeds, sugar, pasta, dehydrated milk, potato flakes (yuck) and various “chemical” things like salt, soda, pickling lime, etc for long term emergency. I have used several different means over the years but now mostly use mylar zip-locs with O2 absorbers heat sealed with an iron. I have some amount in ‘one gallon’ sizes and a larger amount in 5 gallon size I call the Deep Bunker. The smaller bags are in small aluminum garbage cans and the plastic pails are well guarded by cats, traps and poison. I’ve been happy with these people on Amazon (I’m not affiliated) for heavy bags and O2 absorbers.

I use an outfit called Azure Standard (not affiliated with them either) who sell all manner of bulk food. They specialize in non-GMO organics but I use them because of price. They have a nationwide truck delivery system (not sure about Canada) that delivers orders to hundreds of location monthly. You can probably find one nearby, it is usually in a public parking lot at a park or church near the highway. I can buy and bag bulk foods for half what the “survival” stores sell it for—before they ship it.

The LDS church (I’m not affiliated with any religion or denomination, BTW) are the past masters of food storage.  Their FAQ and pamphlet are simple, direct, budget conscious and not overly proselytizing. 

I got a little sidetracked there. But it kind shows that with both of us doing what we do we get it done. Without her being willing and able to learn how to cook from scratch—from seeds actually, all my squirreling would be worthless. 

So how do you and the significant other work your plan?

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Townsend’s homestead videos – homesteading like it’s the 18th century

I’m a big fan of John Townsends’s YouTube channel. He LARPs as though he lives in the 18th century and his channel focuses on him cooking a lot of recipes from around that time. He was one of my main sources for our recent hardtack guide.

I recently discovered a series he did last summer, in which he built a cabin and homestead from scratch. After he builds the cabin, he builds an outdoor workshop with a pole lathe, shaving horse, and a forge. If you’re interested in those sorts of traditional crafts, I encourage you to check out the series.

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Your prepping time line and other dimensions in prepping

I wanted to become as prepared as circumstances would allow. 

Self-sufficiency was another goal, although I understood that the same circumstances would influence the degree of self sufficiency that would be realistically achievable.

Gardening and seeds are part of that self-sufficiency, but I learned quickly that it is necessary to have food stored. Food storage is a part of self-sufficiency for me.

I assembled resources like timeless, solid reference books. The items included in my preps were meant to cover obscure, but important possibilities that could occur in a disaster, like eyeglass repair kits.

Disaster duration was another factor that influenced the way I prepared. How long could I survive for?

History and current events, both of which exist on entirely different time lines equally impacted how I prepared.

The Covid-19 pandemic taught me much about how other people can react in a crisis, and further, how their reactions can impact my preparedness.

Certain items became very hard to get and even today the supply chain can be erratic. Prices skyrocketed as well which affected the ability to purchase, as did limits placed on various items during the pandemic.

Shopping became a high risk venture. Pick and pay grocery shopping had it’s limitations. I would pick up my order, check it, run into the store for missing items that weren’t there when the order picker assembled my order.

There was a time long ago when I was elated to finally have three months of key nutritional foods in storage. Three months became six months, then a year. Today, I store three years of key foods and am working on expanding this to five years or longer.

A freeze dryer is on my priority list. I want long term food storage.

My prepping time line is progressively increasing as the world changes and evolves in ways that worry me.

Circumstances change over time. How has the affected your preparedness?

As your preparedness has evolved, how has this impacted your prepping time line?

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