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New gun owners with questions?

Seeing as how the demand for firearms is at an all time high, and the number of new gun owners is exponentially increasing, I figured it would be good to open a thread for anyone new or inexperienced with firearms to throw out any questions they might have. So fire away (see what I did there?) I’m here to answer any questions and I’m sure Thomas can drop in as well

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    • 8

      Thank you for starting this forum thread. I am pretty new to guns and have many questions, so I appreciate you offering your knowledge. 

      I just bought my first gun, a Glock 19, which is a 9mm. 

      What are some accessories that I should buy with it? What ammo do you recommend (that is if I can ever find any…)

      I feel like on Pirates of the Caribbean where all of their guns have wet powder making them useless and then Pintel comments how they can still use them as clubs. Gun feels pretty useless without ammo.

      • 5

        First accessory i recommend is a good light and a holster. For a Glock 19 I love the the Streamlight TLR-7A. Can be had for $110-120 and is an excellent light for the size. The holster depends on how you plan to carry it if you’ve thought about that yet, but I personally use a T-Rex Arms Raptor and I highly recommend it for AIWB carry (Appendix Inside the Waistband) As for ammo, you’re best bet is to stalk the Sig Sauer website religiously, they’ve been doing restocks fairly often and are not that overpriced for the times. Their V crowns are a great self defense round. You can also create an ammoseek account and monitor it closely for any updates. Expect to pay 50cpr or more for 9mm right now, and at least $1 per round for hollow points. The good thing about pistols though is that a lot of the fundamentals can be tuned in dryfire. I’ll post a link to a great video explaining the basics of how to shoot a handgun, if you can learn the fundamentals he covers in the video you’ll be off to a great start.

        How to shoot a handgun in 10 minutes

      • 5

        Thanks for the suggestion on the ammo! I’ll have to keep an eye on that website. And thanks for the video, i’ll have to give it a watch later tonight 🙂

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        On the ammo front, be sure to check your local gun ranges or clubs, especially if they are also dealers.  I’ve found that my local range, where I am a member, still has most calibers available, though their stock fluxuates daily.  Higher-end gun dealers, ranges, and places that offer lessons typically have better relationships with the manufacturers than the discount chain stores or online retailers.

      • 5

        Also here is my personal carry setup. I’m running a shadow systems MR920, which is basically a gucci glock 19. As you can see the TLR-7A is a flush fit on it which makes it easier to conceal and more comfortable in the holster.20210116_192132

      • 7

        Nice looking gun!

        Do you mind showing a point of view picture of what it would look like looking down your sights? it obviously isn’t the stock sights, so I’m trying to see why you went with that upgrade.

      • 4

        No problem. I’m actually running a Holosun 507CV2 red dot sight on this handgun. Red dots are an absolute game changer on handguns and I highly recommend one if you can. Know how to use your irons and be proficient with them, but a red dot will greatly increase your speed and accuracy. The camera won’t focus on the dot, but it’s actually much bigger in person. You can change the reticle on this particular model from either a 2 moa dot, or a 2 moa dot with a 32moa circle around it. I’m currently running the circle with the dot reticle. But as you can see I can also use my irons as a backup through my dot should my dot ever fail16108477272427458928641008267764

      • 3

        That is super cool! Thanks for showing a picture. I have shot a friend’s rifle with a red dot before, and it felt like cheating. It really made a world of difference in finding your sight picture immediately and accurately shooting a bullseye every single time. Great choice for a pistol too i’m sure. 

        And that is good that you can still use your iron sights as well. 

        Follow-up question – how often do batteries last in that? Is the red dot always on, or do you have to toggle it on? If you have to hit a button to turn it on, that might not be the best for an every day carry gun right? Cause if you are at the point of pulling out and using your gun, you probably won’t have time to hit the button and turn on the dot.

      • 4

        Holosun rates the battery life at 50k hours on this one, but thats under perfect conditions. The cool thing about a lot of the holosun models though is the solar panel back up feature, which allows the dot to run off solar energy. I’ve tested mine without the battery in it and it will indeed run purely off solar power. They also have a shake-awake feature, so as soon as you move the gun at all the dot automatically turns on, and will auto shut off after 10 minutes with no movement to save battery. The shake awake is super sensitive though, there’s no way you could out draw the dot, so not a concern. I change my batteries once a year though just to be safe.

      • 3

        You have me sold! Backup solar power, shake to turn on, 50K hour battery life, that sounds awesome 🙂

        That still is smart to change out the battery every year. 

      • 2

        I run my Glock 19 with:

        • Talon grips, which wrap around the grip making it more comfortable and easier to hold
        • Glow sights. Mine came with them. I think they’re Trijicon, but I don’t remember for sure. The Glock sights are plastic and bend easily, so you want to upgrade those.
        • Streamlight TLR-1. It’s good to see what you’re shooting.

        As for holsters, I’m undecided. I have an Alien Gear IWB holster, which is okay. I recently purchased a Safariland 6378 that can accommodate the TLR-1, but the opening is so large that a little finger can reach inside and pull the trigger, so I’m not sure if I’m going to keep it. Otherwise it’s a great holster. If you opt for an OWB holster, be sure to get something with active retention.

        For carry ammo, I like Federal HST. I saw some ballistic samples and was impressed. For practice, shoot whatever.

        Another thing I’ll point out about the Glock 19: when you go to clean it, you’ll see some copper stuff inside. Don’t wipe that stuff out! It’s a long-lasting lubricant that’s meant to spread around the gun over time. Your manual should mention that.

        You might find the trigger to be a bit stiff. Don’t replace it, because that could get you in trouble if you ever have to use it. Gun mods are generally frowned upon by the law. The best way to loosen it up is to shoot about 1000 rounds through it, though that’s hard to do right now.

      • 3

        The Alien gear shapeshifter is a cool design allowing you to change holster types, and could be useful for some folks for that, but it is a little bulky. I’m not sure what you mean about the Safariland, do you mean that there is that much space between the weapon and the holster you can reach down in there when the weapon is holstered? Because that seems very odd for a safariland. 100% agree on the active retention if going OWB, but better yet would advise completely against open carrying unless you have to. Has a whole host of drawbacks and not really any benefits.

        HST is a pretty sweet round. Any if the FBI approved ones are really, Sig V Crowns, Hornady Crit Defense, Speer gold dot, all great for self defense. Avoid gimmicky rounds like the RIP and Liberty civil defense though, they don’t have enough density behind the round to penetrate deep enough to cause vital damage. The RIP makes cool patterns in ballistic gel, but all it really does is cause a nasty superficial wound. It doesn’t deliver enough critical threat stopping power, which is lacking in handguns enough to begin with. 

        As for triggers, that’s actually a bit of a myth about replacing the trigger. The only way it can get you in trouble is if you’re LE and it’s on your service weapon against department policy. For a civilian it’s not anything they can stick on you in court. “Oh no your Honor, my client upgraded their weapon in order to better defend themselves” Just doesn’t really hold water legally and any good lawyer can sweep right past it. That being said people also don’t need to think you have to upgrade a stock trigger on a glock to be accurate. The Gen 5 triggers are actually pretty good out of the box. Mine has a little over 3k on it now and it’s really starting to get smooth. All a good trigger does is allow a good shooter to be a little bit better. The fundamentals don’t change no matter what, and having a fancy Zev trigger won’t magically make you stop shooting low and left. If after you’ve mastered the fundamentals and decide you want to upgrade your trigger to help make those sweet 100yd shots, then just make sure it’s a reputable trigger with a proven track record, such as a Zev.

      • 3

        Good suggestions here but I’d also like to suggest nightsights. Glock standard sights we’re always terrible in my book. 

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        I was cheap and bought some high quality glow in the dark paint and using a tooth pick filled in the stock glock sights with the glow in the dark paint. I then took a small amount of clear fingernail polish and painted over the top to seal it in. It turned out great, looks clean because I took my time, and doesn’t look like anything is there during the day. You do have to shine a really bright flashlight on the sights for about 5 seconds to charge it though. 

        Then there are the real night sights that came with my wife’s gun. Those glow bright even after being in a dark drawer all day and not getting charged at all. 

        Don’t be cheap like me, get some real night sights.

    • 4

      I have handled firearms most of my life.  I don’t shoot much anymore, for multiple reasons such as hearing loss and ammo scarcity, but I do have plenty options for self defense still.  I just wanted to throw in my two cents on this topic.  The best advice I can give to any inexperienced person considering buying a firearm is to take a safety class before anything else.  Way too many are injured and killed by mishandling and accidental discharges.

      • 5

        If someone is brand new to firearms I would highly suggest going to an actual gun store (Not like an Academy, Bass Pro shops, etc.) And talking to some of the staff there when looking to purchase your first gun. At any good local gun store they will be more than happy to teach you the basic rules of firearm safety and how to handle your chosen firearm. If anyone is local to the north GA area (metro Atlanta/Athens area) I would be happy to recommend a few good local stores to check out.

      • 3

        Great advice classes are amazing and the instructors really know their stuff. I would definitely take a class as well as finding a friend that is knowledgeable with guns and that you know respects guns and their safety can be a very valuable resource as well. You may feel more comfortable asking questions that you may think are dumb to a friend vs in a class room setting. But just know that there are no dumb questions when it comes to guns, and if you hesitate to ask a question because you are shy or you think it is dumb, you might put yourself or others in danger. Ask everything and become extremely comfortable with your new tool.

    • 4

      What are the steps to cleaning a pistol? I think everyone seems to do it very differently and would love your (and anyone else’s) input on what you do.

      • 4

        Not all pistols are the same, so there is no one answer.  For example my Sig P226 takes down completely differently than my Colt 1911.  I suggest you Google cleaning your specific gun, watching several videos, then giving it a try.

        Now since I rarely run a lot of ammo thru my pistols, I will usually do just a basic field strip. 

      • 4

        I agree with looking up how to take apart your gun. I went on YouTube and found a video of someone doing a detail strip and downloaded it for offline use just incase the power/internet was down. I do a detail strip every two years but just a field strip after each use.

        Guess I should have been more clear with my question. Do you guys use nylon/brass/steel wire brushes? Do you use a bore snake? What cleaner do you use? Do you lubricate the slide?

        I do a field strip, spray everything down with CLP which is a cleaner, lubricant, and preservative. (Don’t buy on amazon, way too expensive. It is like $4 at Walmart.) I use a brass bore brush on the barrel and nylon brush on the spring, slide, and body. I find that I don’t really need to use more than a nylon brush because I clean immediately as soon as I can after shooting. Wipe everything down with cotton squares. I don’t think there is much use for a specific gun lubricant that you put on the slide or spring, the CLP seems to do everything for me.

        About every three months or so I’ll go through and wipe down the outside of my guns and knives with a disposable oil wipe just to wipe off my oily hand grease from touching it throughout the months and prevent any rust. 

      • 4

        The process you described is pretty standard procedure, nothing wrong with it at all. Fwiw, modern service handguns (Glock, Sig, M&P, HK, etc.) Don’t have to be cleaned as often as you’d think and can actually go thousands of rounds between cleanings without malfunctions. I have a Glock 17 and a Sig P320 that are both over 1K without cleaning now. My buddy hasn’t cleaned his new 19 Gen 5 since he got it and he’s almost at the 3K mark. I’m not saying to not make a habit of cleaning your weapons, that’s still a very good habit to have, just like maintaining any of your gear. But if you’re in a situation where you are unable to clean your weapon for long periods of time (like a SHTF scenario) don’t fret too much about it, a quality handgun won’t let you down even if it is dirty.

      • 1

        Thank you for saying that. I always wondered what I would do if there was a run on gun cleaning supplies and I didn’t have any left. Looks like I can go further than I thought before I really need to clean it.

      • 4

        I use bore snakes for all my guns.  Since I clean after every shooting, there is not a lot to clean anyway.  I too use CLP but I just have to use Hoppe’s #9 gun oil.  The smell of it just reminds me of shooting with my dad.

        To me, field stripping a gun & cleaning it is as fun as the shooting.  Yes, I lubricate the slide.  I actually prefer a well oiled gun & like it on the wet side… except for parts like the trigger assembly & the firing pin.  Those I keep dry with just a bit of graphite.

      • 3

        I’m sure that is a great memory of shooting and cleaning guns with your dad. I’m glad you can still relive those when you clean.

    • 5

      I know that a light is important on a long gun (AR15) but how important is a pressure plate toggle? I’m deciding whether or not it’s worth it to get one.

      Second question: what’s your opinion on red dot optics on pistols? I’m considering milling the slide on my Glock to add one, but it comes at considerable expense. It might be worth it for speed and accuracy.

      Thanks, I just signed up to this forum and it is phenomenally useful.

      • 2

        To answer your first question: Not super important, they’re more of a useful tool for activating the light depending on your setup. Some guys actually prefer to run button only. To effectively run your light using only the tailcap button usually requires having a shorter rail and running the light on your support hand side, so that you can simply roll your thumb forward to activate the light. Not too hard if you train for it. Like I said some guys prefer to run that way because they feel the pressure pad is another failure point. So that one is totally up to you and what feels more comfortable. Some lights, such as the new Cloud Defensive Reign, actually have a tailcap with a button built in but can also accept a pressure pad, so you have the option of both. They’re actually running a sale on their website right now, I ordered one earlier today. 

        For the second question: Red dots on pistols are definitely the way. They help you shoot faster, more accurately, and greatly improve target transitions and shooting on the move. That being said, it is pricey to have your slide milled and then buy the actual dot, but it’s well worth it IMHO. However if your glock is your primary carry weapon and you don’t have a backup, I wouldn’t recommend sending it in right now, as it will be out of commission for at least a few weeks while being milled. You can always get a stripped aftermarket slide and just transfer the internals over though if you don’t want to have to wait on machining time. There are some more affordable options for aftermarket slides coming out now, such as the Brownells glock slides and the new Zev Duty slides. But even these are subject to the overwhelmed market right now and are more difficult to find.

        So to summarize, red dots are awesome, slides milling has a turnaround time, aftermarket slides are dope but pricey and hard to find. 

        If you have the coin and time to spare though I would highly recommend getting one, they can greatly improve your handgun shooting with proper training. I can post more photos/videos of mine if folks would like to see more of what a red dot looks like

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        Thanks for the feedback, I think milling the slide I have might be the best option since I’m dealing with a 19x which apparently isn’t compatible with gen4 aftermarket slides. As a less important point, having a black slide on the coyote frame would be a bummer, and cerakote costs a lot. What I’m trying to do is find a local place (I’m in the DC area) which can mill the slide so I’m not waiting a long time for shipping and such.

        I would love to see photos of your pistol with red dot, though.

    • 2

      Great thread!  I am not a new gun owner, but I do have a question I’ve been struggling to find a straight answer for.  I am looking to purchase a small and lightweight pistol or revolver to take on backwoods hiking trips. I have no inclination of “stopping a grizzly,” but I do hope to be able to scare off a cougar. I’m trying to keep this as lightweight as possible, every ounce out there adds up.

      Historically I’m a semi-auto guy, but for this I think I want a small hammerless (more correctly an internal hammer) revolver, which I basically have zero experience with.  My question boils down to this: how does .38 Special ammo compare to 9mm and 357?  I know it’s not nearly as powerful as 357, but looking at these little hammerless revolvers, it seems that those chambered for .38 are often a couple ounces or more lighter than those chambered for .357.  How does .38 compare to 9mm?  Is it worth going down the revolver road or should I just consider a subcompact 9mm?  I’ll also note, that from a size and weight perspective, the Taurus .380 ACP Ultralight is tempting as well, but then I know I am definitely going down a couple steps in power.

      Like I mentioned, I’m not looking to kill anything, and likely (hopefully) won’t even bump into a grizzly.  But black bears and cougars are a plenty in these parts, and when I’m out alone I’d like to feel a little less helpless.

      • 2

        My personal recommendation would be the Sig Sauer P365, and let me elaborate why.

        First off, the P365 is extremely easy to carry, and is so slim and lightweight you forget you have it on. I carry mine whenever I’m wearing clothing it’s harder to conceal my 920 in, or clothing just not as suited to carrying that size handgun, such as dress clothes or really lightweight clothing. If you are planning on using this for hiking it would be no problem to carry one either on your body or even in an easily accessible pocket in your bag or jacket.  It weighs in at around 18 ounces unloaded versus a Smith and Wesson ultralight revolver at 14.4 ounces, so very minimal wight difference. The 365 is only 1 inch wide though unlike a J frame revolver, so much easier to conceal when you want and less bulk in a pocket or holster.

        As for ammo, I’d much rather have 10+1 rounds of 9mm then 5 rounds of .38 While the .38 is just a little more hot than 9mm it’s really not enough to make that much of a difference ballistically. Having 11 rounds of 9mm in a smooth shooting automatic like the P365 would be preferable to me than having 5 rounds in a revolver with more recoil. When it comes to actually stopping things, putting multiple rounds in critical areas is what counts, having a more powerful round is not always the answer.

        In summary, I’d go with a P365 for concealment, holster options, and firepower while still maintaining a low weight option

    • 3

      If I wanted to store a rifle and pistol in my house and not touch them for a year or two what would you do to prevent rust and corrosion? How about storing ammo for long term storage as well?

      • 2

        It somewhat depends on which region you are in (humidity is the most important factor) but I would put your guns and ammo into a waterproof storage container with a silica packet like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBQEYTJ/

      • 1

        Great idea! I’ll buy some of those silica gel packets and throw them in with my guns and ammo. 

        Do you have to rotate those silica gel packets every so often? or probably just if there is exposure to air. If I keep my ammo in an air tight ammo can, I probably won’t need to replace them as no moisture is getting in.

      • 2

        While prepping for unimaginable scenarios. . . .

        I had the same question after I purchased my .22 Marlin.  It’s intended for small game and hopefully I’ll never need to use it (or clean it).  I contacted Marlin.  I asked if vacuum sealing my new Marlin rifle in a plastic vacuum food storage bag, complete with desiccants, could be a viable solution for long term storage.  Marlin replied that they had not heard of that before but thought it to be a great idea.  So I took a sleeve from my vacuum food storage bags.  Cut to length, added desiccants, the manual, and an extra piece of paper towelto protect the bag from protruding firearm components and vacuum sealed it.  It’s been 2-years.  I check during my semi-annual inventories to make sure none of the protecting lubricant has had an adverse effect on the bags.  It had not.  Since it is sealed in clear plastic I look for any surface rust.  So far so good.

        Vaced Marlin

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        That’s a great idea to vacuum seal your gun. I should get one of those and seal up many different things like a fire kit, toilet paper, clothes, and some important documents. That would keep them all water proof and compact until I needed to cut them open and use them.

      • 3

        If you are looking to store your firearm for many, many years, and are confident you won’t be using it, vacuum sealing it could be a great idea.  But in my opinion it’s overkill for storing it 1-2 years as you mention.  Unless you live in a high humidity area, simply give your gun a good cleaning and lube job and store it in a location were it will not be exposed to moisture or significant temperature fluxuations.  Plus, I suspect that since this is a prepping forum, you also desire some decent access to said firearms in case of an emergency.  I’m not sure I’d want to mess with removing the vacuum seal from my firearm in an emergency situation.  Far better to be able to inspect your guns every so often, even if only once a year.

        Now the most important thing is to store your guns and ammo in a location that only you and those you trust have access.  I don’t want to go on a safety rant, but keeping your firearms out of the hands of kids and bad guys is priority number one.

      • 4

        I know this isn’t a section on vacuum sealing, but it is a great Prepper tool, not just for food items but for storing ‘stuff’ as well.  As you pointed out, our BOB has our clothes vacuumed sealed to reduce space.  Some disinfectant soaps, medical supplies and more.  We like the idea of water proofing what we can and the space reduction.  When I vacuum seal a firearm it is put away safely & securely. It is not a firearm I plan to use anytime soon. Having said that, easy tear open and cheap & easy to reseal.  It takes 4-minutes out of your day to vacuum seal after cleaning (more on that below).  Oh, and unless you notice that the vacuum bag is leaking (no longer tight around the interior components) the desiccants are good to go until after you open the package (also good desiccants can be reused after heating).

        As Matthew correctly pointed out, your home/personal protection firearm should be easily accessible, but secure from kids who may be up and around in the night.  Safe storage is inversely proportional to accessibility for most people.  A semi-expensive digital safe, securely mounted to a wall stud, by your bed and in your most commonly occupied room, offers a potential solution for both.

        But I digress, this question & forum is about Prepping & storage:

        I’m 67 years old, a good Prepper with 22 years military service.  I’m been flooded, lived through several hurricanes (we live on the coast) and had a very larger tree fall on our home making everything inside a miserable mess.  As a Prepper, I prep for the worse case scenario (that I can afford) and hope for the best.  Everything I have water sealed remained dry.  Transporting goods in a ferocious rain to bugout can leave a person & goods soggy indeed.  Never know, it might be good to have more items watertight, even for the short term, just in case.

        Vaced Clothes

      • 3

        Great information from everyone here. I have to agree that vacuum sealing your firearm is a little overkill for basic storage. If you were going to bury it, yes, but for normal storage not needed. My grandfather has guns that have been in his safe for over 40 years and are still in great condition. Like mentioned above just make sure to keep everything dry. Keep fresh silica in your safe and ammo cans and you should be good to go.

    • 3

      I’m not new to firearms, but I could use some help if anyone out there has a Beretta 1301 (Tactical or Competition) shotgun with an older complete manual. I have always felt that an intimate knowledge of the firearm is essential to ensuring proper longevity, reliability and functionality.

      Does anyone have an OLD Beretta 1301 (any model) manual with illustrations which I might obtain a copy?  The new manuals offered by Beretta do not have any illustrations past page 7 (Beretta Service Center admitted there was an issue with their transfer to digital publications).

      This is my first Beretta. My first gas operated semi-automatic shotgun. All the manuals offered digitally by Beretta are incomplete. I wrote to Beretta for a hard copy. Got that Friday and it too is void of any illustrations past page 7. I watched the Beretta videos and they are a bit outdated as well and don’t answer all my questions.

      Now, I’m working it out using two illustration-missing Tactical and Competition manuals, but I don’t like the idea that I am making a SWAG on some of the instructions. Seems pretty straight forward, but that goes against everything I’ve learned about firearms in 22-years of military service. For $1200.00 I kinda thought a functional manual might be customary. . . .

      Beretta 1301 Tactical Generation 2

      Suggestions?

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        I would maybe see if you can get someone from Beretta on the phone and ask if they can get you a nore detailed manual copy. If that fails maybe see if they can get you in touch with an armorer who could answer more detailed questions. If there are any dealers near you who are certified Beretta dealers they may have a gunsmith who’s a certified Beretta armorer.

    • 4

      what are your thoughts on the kel-tec p50?141591395_2727941584136555_8691239264405047919_o

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        haha that sure is an interesting gun! Kel-Tec sure knows how to make some unique guns. But i’m a fan.

        I’ve been wanting to get a Kel-tec sub 2000 for years. I’ve thought the take down design was super cool and works with Glock mags that I already have. But alas, I have to be a grown up and my Kel-tec money that I was saving up for went to medical bills. One day though!keltec

      • 3

        Personally I avoid Kel-Tec like the plague. Their guns are more gimmicky than useful really, with the sub 2000 being possibly an exception. This gun definitely falls in the gimmicky category. 5.7 looks cool and sounds cool as a cartridge but is really not that effective. Everyone wants it for the “armor penetrating” capabilities, but the AP rounds are restricted to Government sale only. Regular rounds for it were expensive before the rush on ammo, and are even more expensive now. Having a 50 rd magazine is also cool, but those P90 are expensive and trickier to reload than other PCCs. If you want a good, dependable PCC that doesn’t break the bank then get a CZ Scorpion, Foxtrot Mike AR-9, or a PSA AK-V. Maybe a Stribog A1 on that list as well but the mags have had some reliability issues. The whole PCC vs SBR or AR pistol is an entirely different discussion within itself too, but we can talk about that as well if you’d like.

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        My thoughts  on the Kel Tec p50 below ,and also, what purpose would you want this model for?

        I don’t don’t own a Kel Tec product, but some of my friends do, and have had good luck with them. They are long time firearms owners, one friend picked a pmr30 (22 magnum) for magazine capacity and prefers it to his 9 mm.

        I like the 5.7×28 round, much lower recoiling than 9mm or 45 ACP. I find it very easy to shoot and maintain accuracy.

        Most models on the market have large capacity magazines. Most models were also more expensive than guns in other calibers before the release of Rugers 57 model.

        Shooting Gallery on the outdoor channel, just had an episode on the 5.7 round at gunsite academy where the round was discussed at length. Do check this video clip for the comments one of the gunsite instructors made about the 5.7 round.

        gunsandammo review of the P50.

        P50 mechanicals look similar to FN PS90 to me. P50 is on the expensive side I think , though not as expensive as the PS90, or the CMMG ar platform 5.7 products.

        All of these rifles (pistols) would still need an optic IMO.

        I would agree with a number of folks  on this forum that have good fire arm experience , that 9mm handguns guns and ar 15 platform guns are the most common, the easiest to get parts and service for, and until recently the easiest and most affordable to get ammo for.

        All ammunition is expensive and hard to obtain currently and the 5.7 round is probably one of the hardest to get. Prices have also gone from 40 to 50 cents per round to over a dollar per round currently.

        P50 is more compact than an ar  platform pistol.  I like it, but wish someone would manufacture a pocket sized 5.7 pistol with say…. 15 round capacity.

        I bet they would sell everyone they could make.

        That’s my ramblings on this gun and cartridge. I’m very accurate with the 5.7 products I’ve tried.  I’d encourage people to try a 5.7 cartridge gun if they can find one.

        Good luck finding ammo currently if you don’t already have some.

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      Just wanted to post up this video from WPS, it’s a great video about training with limited ammo and including dynamic real life scenarios into your training. Real life is messy, and your training should reflect that and help prepare for it. I know ammo is super expensive and hard to find right now so using drills like these that incorporate a lot of skill building into one drill is a great way to capitalize on what ammo you do have. 

      Training with only 50 rounds

      Stay safe, stay alert, and protect innocent life.

      This is the way 

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        Next time i’m out at the range, i’ll have to implement some of these techniques. Thanks for sharing.

        -Be Prepared-

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        Great drills. I signed up for WPSN with some friends, it’s totally worth it for all of the pistol and rifle training content alone.

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      Hello I Purchased my first Gun which is a XD-9MM Defend your legacy Series XD 4

      and i had questions about the magazines because with my purchase i only received 1 mag but at the bottom it says 40sw .10rd, So my question would be is this gun interchangeable when it comes to magazines? and also What is the best self defense ammo and range ammo for this gun

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        Did you purchase this from a gun store or a private individual? Very odd for new handguns to only come with one magazine from the factory, most come with at least 2. And no, 9mm and .40 are different size rounds and should not be interchangeable magazines. Have you tried loading the magazine yet? It could be they just put the wrong baseplate on the magazine and it is actually a 9mm magazine.

        As for ammo, range ammo is anything you can find right now. 9mm is the round in most demand currently so finding it is a challenge itself, and when you do find it expect to pay a premium for it.

        As for SD ammo, I personally use 124gr Sig V-Crowns or 124gr Hornady Crit Defense. Speer gold dot and Federal HST are also solid rounds. Sig restocks their website pretty frequently with ammo, can snag 9mm hollow points for around $1 a round on there.