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Reply to: Relying on the Red Cross Posted July 8, 2023

Hi sewknot, I don’t actually know who would take care of what in an “actual” emergency. Although we live “within” a large urban area (that is better at creating human crises than dealing with them), we’re far enough outside the core that it’s just essential to be at least somewhat self sufficient. Being told to “call the Red Cross” just rubbed me wrong. Of course the original sentiment was well intended, it just came off as condescending and rather naive. The only evacuation we’ve ever experienced was in the 2020 wildfires and that was complete pandemonium, from our perspective. Virtually the entire county (over 400,000 souls) was at some level of evacuation notice. Much of the county is served by little two lane country roads. It appeared to us that there was no coordination of any sort. Official response to actually dealing with the displaced population just seemed to be panic, knee-jerk decision making. But I’m sure the Red Cross was an important presence. Somewhere. I wasn’t disrespecting the Red Cross.

Reply to: Relying on the Red Cross Posted July 6, 2023

Eric, I wrote this in 2021. https://theprepared.com/forum/thread/fire-and-ice-go-or-stay/ , which was really our introduction to REALLY needing to prepare. As long as there’s some advance warning about fire danger, prepping to bug out with the horses amounts to packing for a horse camping trip for a week or so. Beyond that, since wildfire isn’t likely to take out wide scale services nearby, we could buy what we need as we run out of stuff. Since we have no nice camper or “living quarters” horse trailer, though, where stuff can be stored permanently, I am slogging through getting everything needed for tent camping into tubs and ready to fly out the door when evac notifications come.

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Reply to: Is this still an alternative to Discord? Posted July 3, 2023

Oh fooey. I didn’t even know what Discord was until a minute ago. I wondered what happened to the forum and miss it so much. Thought everybody had gone back to work after Covid lockdowns were lifted. No more social media platforms for me. It’s been great folks. See ya in the funny pages.

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Reply to: Best safety practices for handling fallen power lines obstructing roads following an outage (power off) Posted April 8, 2023

Just asked, hubby, who’s a retired journeyman/lineman. Yikes! You’re taking a huge risk trying to handle a downed line. He has plenthy of anecdotes to tell of people being killed. He said that local outages would be the most dangerous because you don’t know if the downed line is touching something that is still hot, but even in more widespread outages, there are too many unknowns. Possibly the most dangerous is the homeowner who incorrectly hooks his generator up and the power backfeeds through the transformer and re-energizes the line. You don’t know if a line crew is out testing sections of line and to do that they re-energize it. If there is an absolute unavoidable need to move the cable, pick a pole or stick at least 5-6 feet long to do so and make sure there is no paint on it. The paint may be a conductor. His most earnest advice is DON’T.

Reply to: What dry dog and cat food would you recommend? Posted March 13, 2023

Well… We adopted an older rescue cat and tried to feed her the best quality canned food, and ultimately, home made. She could not keep the foods down. Vet charged hundreds for blood tests, gave a wrong diagnosis, wanted hundreds more in ultrasound, maybe surgery, and wanted the cat put on a hydrolyzed protein diet. I figured out myself that the cat couldn’t live on wet food alone. Turns out she couldn’t eliminate hairballs on such a diet. This could be from being an older cat who previously lived on a dry food diet resulting in some alteration to the digestive tract. She is hale and hearty several years later living on free choice dry kibble, indoor cat, hairball removal formula, with a generous dish of premium canned every morning. Still has delicate digestion but no longer starving in the midst of plenty. I never take anything I read about animal health at face value anymore.

Reply to: What dry dog and cat food would you recommend? Posted March 6, 2023

Pet food packaging tends to be so excellent these days, and like Redneck says, typically bear a “best by” date. That would be a good clue what to buy. There might be differences in “natural” versus “chemical” preservatives, that could be a personal choice. We also keep a three month supply on hand and rotate it just like the human food. We keep it under the bed. We only have one cat and lost our one dog last fall, so storage requirement is not as great. Dry food is kept in a plastic bucket after opening. I would store what your pets are eating now. Transitioning to a new food can cause digestive problems that you don’t need in an emergency. Our house cat can’t handle anything new without several days of transition.

Reply to: Turn old bed sheets into durable waterproof tarps Posted February 28, 2023

I found this video about the same time it was posted here! I’ve used naptha a lot as a solvent for spray painting old horsedrawn carriages as it dried faster than ordinary paint thinner. I have a small fortune invested in “waterproof” horse blankets that lose their proofing in a season or two. Every effort I’ve made to re-proof them with various products has been a complete bust. When the warm weather comes back, I plan to pressure wash my least expensive horse blanket and try this method. My biggest concern is that you can’t put new caulk on top of old caulk. If the seal fails, I’m pretty sure it will never be waterproofed again. So I’m skeptical about using it on tents, garments, etc. There’s a marine waterproofing product in the 303 line that looks very good. I’ll also use that on one of the more valuable blankets.

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

I hope you can make use of the idea, Shaun! And once you have the battery, there’s no end of 12V gadgets available! One of the reasons we didn’t go with using the inverter and a 120V lamp is because the inverter itself uses power, so there’s a little extra drain on the battery while using it. However, that’s another option, perhaps, a battery with an inverter and and something like Redneck’s lights, or just an ordinary lamp with a low voltage bulb. I think I’ve got an LED light bulb on hand that is only 12 watts, but light equivalent to 100 watt incandescent. The inverter I showed is good for 300 watts. That may be a vastly easier solution. Your gas wall light is very reminiscent of the lights they put in early travel trailers and campers. We had those when I was a kid. And being an Aladdin lamp fan, I can assure you, the LED lights are vastly brighter! It looks like you could pretty much set up the 12V system for the cost of one of those NG lights!

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

Shaun, this is obviously nothing fancy. The lights are intended for a specific place in a specific room, but they just need picture hanger hooks or whatever to be used on different walls. Hubby just cut a cedar board to mount the lights to. There are loops on the backs of the boards to hang on hooks. Both lights are wired to the same “cigarette lighter” plug, each with a 10 ft length of lamp cord. Lights have their own on/off switches. Note: Everything shown here except for the lights and the lamp cord is repurposed stuff we already had on hand. We had batteries, trickle chargers and battery boxes for slow moving vehicle lights with no electrical system. Now the small battery is used for the DIY 12V shower contained in a leftover tackle box, on which it’s sitting. The inverter and big marine battery were life support for tropical fish we no longer have. So we have next to nothing invested in the actual project except the lights. This is the small battery, in its battery box, showing the cigarette lighter socket attached to the terminals. It is plugged in to its trickle charger. We have inverters with the same type of plug that can be used with the battery sockets for powering small 120V items. This is one of the inverters that plugs into the batteries. (Inverter recommended by TP!)

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

LEDs are just amazing! We have inverters that we could use with a battery to plug something like this in. We’ve been reluctant to invest in any solar energy because the time of year when we usually have power outages (winter), we typically have heavy cloud cover. I can’t convince hubby to even try a small scale setup (although if I said I’m going to anyway, he wouldn’t try to stop me!) But I think it would only give him a chance to say “I told you so.” On my own, researching a small setup is just kind of out of my grasp. I’m a bit technologically challenged.

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

I will do that. In the meantime, this is the unit that we bought. RV Lights

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

Shaun, This was the first time they have been turned on, so I can’t say, but they only draw a tiny bit of current, 0.6 amps which apparently translates to about 7.2 watts each. They produce over 900 lumens each, which is equivalent to roughly 70 watts incandescent. The lights themselves are very inexpensive. We keep this battery and a heavy duty deep cycle battery on trickle chargers just for emergency use already and they’re set up with cigarette lighter type plugs for quick connection. The plan is to keep them changed with the generators whenever we’re running refrigerators, etc.

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 24, 2023

Here is the result of our RV interior light project. Two lights on a lawnmower battery. The wood stove is approximately 24 feet away from the lights. We just need to put hanging hardware on them.

Reply to: Mr. Heater to the rescue again! Posted February 23, 2023

Reply to: What are some egg preservation methods? Posted February 22, 2023

Preserving eggs without refrigeration usually requires starting with very fresh unwashed eggs. Washing them removes a natural protective coating. That being said, you could always experiment with store eggs. The usual method of preserving fresh eggs is in a “waterglass” solution. Some people use a lime solution and call it waterglass, but that is incorrect. Waterglass is sodium silicate. Usually about 1 part waterglass to 9 parts water. waterglass I don’t know how to use lime. Some people have successfully buried fresh eggs in wood ashes.

Reply to: Mr. Heater to the rescue again! Posted February 22, 2023

Hi Redneck, I’m getting ready to buy one of these. Looking at it on Northern Tool and reading the manual, which seems to discuss only permanent installation, so I’m hoping you can answer a couple of questions. I see it requires the additional purchase of a regulator. There is a Mr. Heater two stage regulator, is this the one you bought? And a Mr. Heater hose? Your help is greatly appreciated!

12V RV interior lights as emergency lights

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Posted February 11, 2023

Reply to: How to make stock and render fat Posted February 10, 2023

Hi Shaun, yes, silicon muffin molds. My cheap amazon ones hold about 1/3 cup and that’s about perfect for a large egg. I’m currently using them to freeze enough tallow to make a pint of beef gravy with the new beef stock. I can’t really say about the length of time the frozen eggs keep. Let’s just say that I have never had one that didn’t taste fresh. They look a little scary when thawed, very orange, but when scrambled they look and taste exactly like fresh, and of course they’re perfect for recipes. They probably last at least a year. Longer if they were vacuum sealed, which I have done. I did happen to read the label on a jar of “cream of tartar” that I just opened. Aside from being a main component in baking powder, they are used to “stabilize egg whites” as in for making meringues I guess. I need to see whether a pinch would improve the freezing quality of eggs, not that I’ve noticed they need improvement!

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Reply to: Relying on the Red Cross Posted July 8, 2023

Hi sewknot, I don’t actually know who would take care of what in an “actual” emergency. Although we live “within” a large urban area (that is better at creating human crises than dealing with them), we’re far enough outside the core that it’s just essential to be at least somewhat self sufficient. Being told to “call the Red Cross” just rubbed me wrong. Of course the original sentiment was well intended, it just came off as condescending and rather naive. The only evacuation we’ve ever experienced was in the 2020 wildfires and that was complete pandemonium, from our perspective. Virtually the entire county (over 400,000 souls) was at some level of evacuation notice. Much of the county is served by little two lane country roads. It appeared to us that there was no coordination of any sort. Official response to actually dealing with the displaced population just seemed to be panic, knee-jerk decision making. But I’m sure the Red Cross was an important presence. Somewhere. I wasn’t disrespecting the Red Cross.

Reply to: Relying on the Red Cross Posted July 6, 2023

Eric, I wrote this in 2021. https://theprepared.com/forum/thread/fire-and-ice-go-or-stay/ , which was really our introduction to REALLY needing to prepare. As long as there’s some advance warning about fire danger, prepping to bug out with the horses amounts to packing for a horse camping trip for a week or so. Beyond that, since wildfire isn’t likely to take out wide scale services nearby, we could buy what we need as we run out of stuff. Since we have no nice camper or “living quarters” horse trailer, though, where stuff can be stored permanently, I am slogging through getting everything needed for tent camping into tubs and ready to fly out the door when evac notifications come.

Reply to: Is this still an alternative to Discord? Posted July 3, 2023

Oh fooey. I didn’t even know what Discord was until a minute ago. I wondered what happened to the forum and miss it so much. Thought everybody had gone back to work after Covid lockdowns were lifted. No more social media platforms for me. It’s been great folks. See ya in the funny pages.

Reply to: Best safety practices for handling fallen power lines obstructing roads following an outage (power off) Posted April 8, 2023

Just asked, hubby, who’s a retired journeyman/lineman. Yikes! You’re taking a huge risk trying to handle a downed line. He has plenthy of anecdotes to tell of people being killed. He said that local outages would be the most dangerous because you don’t know if the downed line is touching something that is still hot, but even in more widespread outages, there are too many unknowns. Possibly the most dangerous is the homeowner who incorrectly hooks his generator up and the power backfeeds through the transformer and re-energizes the line. You don’t know if a line crew is out testing sections of line and to do that they re-energize it. If there is an absolute unavoidable need to move the cable, pick a pole or stick at least 5-6 feet long to do so and make sure there is no paint on it. The paint may be a conductor. His most earnest advice is DON’T.

Reply to: What dry dog and cat food would you recommend? Posted March 13, 2023

Well… We adopted an older rescue cat and tried to feed her the best quality canned food, and ultimately, home made. She could not keep the foods down. Vet charged hundreds for blood tests, gave a wrong diagnosis, wanted hundreds more in ultrasound, maybe surgery, and wanted the cat put on a hydrolyzed protein diet. I figured out myself that the cat couldn’t live on wet food alone. Turns out she couldn’t eliminate hairballs on such a diet. This could be from being an older cat who previously lived on a dry food diet resulting in some alteration to the digestive tract. She is hale and hearty several years later living on free choice dry kibble, indoor cat, hairball removal formula, with a generous dish of premium canned every morning. Still has delicate digestion but no longer starving in the midst of plenty. I never take anything I read about animal health at face value anymore.

Reply to: What dry dog and cat food would you recommend? Posted March 6, 2023

Pet food packaging tends to be so excellent these days, and like Redneck says, typically bear a “best by” date. That would be a good clue what to buy. There might be differences in “natural” versus “chemical” preservatives, that could be a personal choice. We also keep a three month supply on hand and rotate it just like the human food. We keep it under the bed. We only have one cat and lost our one dog last fall, so storage requirement is not as great. Dry food is kept in a plastic bucket after opening. I would store what your pets are eating now. Transitioning to a new food can cause digestive problems that you don’t need in an emergency. Our house cat can’t handle anything new without several days of transition.

Reply to: Turn old bed sheets into durable waterproof tarps Posted February 28, 2023

I found this video about the same time it was posted here! I’ve used naptha a lot as a solvent for spray painting old horsedrawn carriages as it dried faster than ordinary paint thinner. I have a small fortune invested in “waterproof” horse blankets that lose their proofing in a season or two. Every effort I’ve made to re-proof them with various products has been a complete bust. When the warm weather comes back, I plan to pressure wash my least expensive horse blanket and try this method. My biggest concern is that you can’t put new caulk on top of old caulk. If the seal fails, I’m pretty sure it will never be waterproofed again. So I’m skeptical about using it on tents, garments, etc. There’s a marine waterproofing product in the 303 line that looks very good. I’ll also use that on one of the more valuable blankets.

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

I hope you can make use of the idea, Shaun! And once you have the battery, there’s no end of 12V gadgets available! One of the reasons we didn’t go with using the inverter and a 120V lamp is because the inverter itself uses power, so there’s a little extra drain on the battery while using it. However, that’s another option, perhaps, a battery with an inverter and and something like Redneck’s lights, or just an ordinary lamp with a low voltage bulb. I think I’ve got an LED light bulb on hand that is only 12 watts, but light equivalent to 100 watt incandescent. The inverter I showed is good for 300 watts. That may be a vastly easier solution. Your gas wall light is very reminiscent of the lights they put in early travel trailers and campers. We had those when I was a kid. And being an Aladdin lamp fan, I can assure you, the LED lights are vastly brighter! It looks like you could pretty much set up the 12V system for the cost of one of those NG lights!

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

Shaun, this is obviously nothing fancy. The lights are intended for a specific place in a specific room, but they just need picture hanger hooks or whatever to be used on different walls. Hubby just cut a cedar board to mount the lights to. There are loops on the backs of the boards to hang on hooks. Both lights are wired to the same “cigarette lighter” plug, each with a 10 ft length of lamp cord. Lights have their own on/off switches. Note: Everything shown here except for the lights and the lamp cord is repurposed stuff we already had on hand. We had batteries, trickle chargers and battery boxes for slow moving vehicle lights with no electrical system. Now the small battery is used for the DIY 12V shower contained in a leftover tackle box, on which it’s sitting. The inverter and big marine battery were life support for tropical fish we no longer have. So we have next to nothing invested in the actual project except the lights. This is the small battery, in its battery box, showing the cigarette lighter socket attached to the terminals. It is plugged in to its trickle charger. We have inverters with the same type of plug that can be used with the battery sockets for powering small 120V items. This is one of the inverters that plugs into the batteries. (Inverter recommended by TP!)

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

LEDs are just amazing! We have inverters that we could use with a battery to plug something like this in. We’ve been reluctant to invest in any solar energy because the time of year when we usually have power outages (winter), we typically have heavy cloud cover. I can’t convince hubby to even try a small scale setup (although if I said I’m going to anyway, he wouldn’t try to stop me!) But I think it would only give him a chance to say “I told you so.” On my own, researching a small setup is just kind of out of my grasp. I’m a bit technologically challenged.

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

I will do that. In the meantime, this is the unit that we bought. RV Lights

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 25, 2023

Shaun, This was the first time they have been turned on, so I can’t say, but they only draw a tiny bit of current, 0.6 amps which apparently translates to about 7.2 watts each. They produce over 900 lumens each, which is equivalent to roughly 70 watts incandescent. The lights themselves are very inexpensive. We keep this battery and a heavy duty deep cycle battery on trickle chargers just for emergency use already and they’re set up with cigarette lighter type plugs for quick connection. The plan is to keep them changed with the generators whenever we’re running refrigerators, etc.

Reply to: 12V RV interior lights as emergency lights Posted February 24, 2023

Here is the result of our RV interior light project. Two lights on a lawnmower battery. The wood stove is approximately 24 feet away from the lights. We just need to put hanging hardware on them.

Reply to: Mr. Heater to the rescue again! Posted February 23, 2023

Reply to: What are some egg preservation methods? Posted February 22, 2023

Preserving eggs without refrigeration usually requires starting with very fresh unwashed eggs. Washing them removes a natural protective coating. That being said, you could always experiment with store eggs. The usual method of preserving fresh eggs is in a “waterglass” solution. Some people use a lime solution and call it waterglass, but that is incorrect. Waterglass is sodium silicate. Usually about 1 part waterglass to 9 parts water. waterglass I don’t know how to use lime. Some people have successfully buried fresh eggs in wood ashes.

Reply to: Mr. Heater to the rescue again! Posted February 22, 2023

Hi Redneck, I’m getting ready to buy one of these. Looking at it on Northern Tool and reading the manual, which seems to discuss only permanent installation, so I’m hoping you can answer a couple of questions. I see it requires the additional purchase of a regulator. There is a Mr. Heater two stage regulator, is this the one you bought? And a Mr. Heater hose? Your help is greatly appreciated!

Reply to: How to make stock and render fat Posted February 10, 2023

Hi Shaun, yes, silicon muffin molds. My cheap amazon ones hold about 1/3 cup and that’s about perfect for a large egg. I’m currently using them to freeze enough tallow to make a pint of beef gravy with the new beef stock. I can’t really say about the length of time the frozen eggs keep. Let’s just say that I have never had one that didn’t taste fresh. They look a little scary when thawed, very orange, but when scrambled they look and taste exactly like fresh, and of course they’re perfect for recipes. They probably last at least a year. Longer if they were vacuum sealed, which I have done. I did happen to read the label on a jar of “cream of tartar” that I just opened. Aside from being a main component in baking powder, they are used to “stabilize egg whites” as in for making meringues I guess. I need to see whether a pinch would improve the freezing quality of eggs, not that I’ve noticed they need improvement!

Reply to: How to make stock and render fat Posted February 10, 2023

Good morning M.E. Yes, I would bet it’s great for feeding birds! I know it’s considered “unhealthy” but making gravy with fat is so tasty! I’ve been thinking about candles too. The rendered beef fat can be considered tallow, I think, and it’s pretty firm at room temperature, so the rendered fat would be good for that. And I’m pretty sure I’ve read about preserving other foods in rendered fat. Silicone molds…this isn’t “shelf stable”, but I’ll frequently pick up an extra 18 pack of eggs to freeze. I’ll shell an egg, mix it gently with a wire whip and pour it into the silicone muffin cups. I find it’s easier to do one egg at a time instead of mixing a bunch and trying to measure them into the cups. I freeze these, pop them out, then generally wrap them individually in cling wrap, and put them in a freezer bag. There have been many times when I’ve run out of fresh eggs, and have those frozen ones in reserve. They taste perfectly fresh. So yes! Go get those silicone molds!

Reply to: Recipes for cooking with only non-perishable food Posted February 6, 2023

BEEF STEW I have tweaked this recipe to the greatest satisfaction of my taste buds, and more importantly, my husband’s! It is adapted from my old 1970s Better Homes and Gardens Cookbook and has always been my go-to recipe for making stew with fresh ingredients. The seasonings are subtle and of course you can use whatever flavorings you prefer. Also, I used conventionally dehydrated vegetables. The one thing I can’t stress enough is…use home made stock if you possibly can. I think grocery store beef stock/broth tastes awful. But you can always try it. I couldn’t eat much of my first “experiment”, made with organic boxed broth. Also feel free to halve the recipe. This makes a good 4-6 servings. INGREDIENTS 1-2 Pints bottled beef chunks (2 pints is a lot, 1 is probably adequate) 1 Quart bottled beef stock 3 Ounces dehydrated potato slices 1/4 Cup dehydrated onions 1/2 Cup dehydrated carrots 1/2 Cup dehydrated peas 1/4 teaspoon Worchestershire Sauce powder 1 teaspoon garlic powder 1-2 bay leaves 1/2 Tablespoon salt 1/2 teaspoon paprika 1/4 teaspoon black pepper Dash of allspice 1 teaspoon beef bouillon (optional, if your stock isn’t rich enough) 1/2 cup white flour METHOD Rehydrate potatoes, onions, carrots and peas (include any other dehydrated veggies that you wish!). My favorite method of rehydrating is to put veggies in a quart Mason jar (this recipe requires two jars), fill the jars to the shoulder with simmering water. Screw lid on tight. Periodically invert jars so veggies on top are submerged. Give the veggies a couple of hours to rehydrate. Put stock in pot. Drain veggies, add to stock along with all other ingredients except flour, Bring to boil, reduce heat and simmer about 15 minutes, until veggies are tender. Make a slurry with flour and about 1/2 cup of water. Shake vigorously in a tight jar. Bring stew back to gentle boil, gently stir in flour/water (pour through sieve to strain out lumps if desired). Bring back to gentle boil, and boil for about a minute. If you can get home made stock to make this recipe, I guarantee you will never eat Dinty Moore again! This recipe should be ideal for making up “kits”, where you package measured ingredients according to how you’re going to add them, and “stage” the mixes next to the bottled ingredients so there is virtually no preparation time involved in making it.

Reply to: Anticipatory grief Posted January 25, 2023

You need to read Josh Centers’ incredible post related to Stoicism https://theprepared.com/blog/cultivating-a-survival-mindset-the-stockdale-paradox-stoicism-and-the-importance-of-partying-on/ It changed my life. Stoicism has a lot of wisdom about “letting go”, putting your attachments to others, as well as possessions, in perspective, healthy attitudes towards death, and not wasting time grieving for future events that have not yet happened. Accepting death as a continuum of life, “returning” loved ones and not dreading the inevitable are not a cure for grief, but an emotional rock to lean on, to make it bearable. Your pre-event grief is also interfering with your ability to love and celebrate your friends in the present, which is constantly slipping through your fingers.

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