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Sorry for the late reply Quote pnwsarah – “@Alicia and @LadyKaos, I’m really struck by the importance that both of you and TP give to internal compartments and organization as a priority in a BOB. I don’t say this to criticize or argue; mainly it’s just interesting, and it makes me wonder if I’m missing something about the value of that internal organization…. …But I can imagine that anyone with a military (or police?) background who was used to purpose-built compartments and being able to molle stuff all over the place would look at a technical pack and be like, “Oh, hellll no.”” Internal organisation..?  I’ve used tactical bags as school bags, work bags, hiking day bags for nearly 10 years because they look cool, well before I started thinking about prepping I’ve never been military or police but I feel what you say about molle/palls, once you get use to using a system like that, everything you might want access to regularly goes in a pouch on the outside of the bag so you don’t need to open it to get them, in some cases you don’t even need to take it off, it just becomes easer especially when know by feel where everything always is, even in the dark, but I’m willing to give it up to save weight and have a bag that properly fits me I guess the compromise is to have a few internal pockets/external pockets and divide things in the main compartment, I got use to bags with internal organisation so I should be able to get use to living without it

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@pnwsarah you have a good point about the difference between a technical pack and an ultralight pack, I haven’t ever tried out an “ultralight” pack, but I had a good look at one owned by a friend on a hiking trip once, it had no frame to save weight and the fabric was soooooo thin I would never trust it. I personally also think that the addition of a decent frame makes the pack feel lighter even if it adds 0.5Kg so I don’t think I would ever go down the “ultralight” route However you are quite correct that an ordinary modern technical pack is lightweight compared to anything tactical, or even the old cheap backpacking bags I have used in the past. so I did use that terminology incorrectly, sorry for any confusion I caused 😮  on a different note, I recently acquired a Granite gear perimeter 35L pack. It was second hand (for a very reasonable price) because it’s owner didn’t get on with it, and although I wouldn’t consider it to be an option for my BOB for the following reasons; it’s only top loading, it has virtually no internal organisation, and it’s a little on the small side. (although I don’t think I would ever carry more than 35L, I like the freedom of having a little unused space in case I need to carry something extra) I couldn’t refuse the price so I bought it as a research exercise, it’s interesting to get a proper look at a decent quality modern technical pack, and to give it some testing. The main thing I have confirmed is that the fit is indeed much better than that of any pack I’ve ever had (it will certainly see some use on the hiking trail if not as a BOB), and I was pleasantly surprised by how hard wearing the fabric seems even though it’s thin. It’s first owner used it on two quite long trips and they aren’t the most careful of people, there is no visible snaggs etc… so now I think I have a bench mark for what to look for in a BOB. That is everything the Granite gear perimeter has with the addition of slightly more volume, better access, and maybe a harder wearing method of adjusting the torso length (I might edit the post to add some photo’s if anyone is interested)


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Anyone know of any good card multi-tools?
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Millbank bags for BOB water purification?
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Sorry for the late reply Quote pnwsarah – “@Alicia and @LadyKaos, I’m really struck by the importance that both of you and TP give to internal compartments and organization as a priority in a BOB. I don’t say this to criticize or argue; mainly it’s just interesting, and it makes me wonder if I’m missing something about the value of that internal organization…. …But I can imagine that anyone with a military (or police?) background who was used to purpose-built compartments and being able to molle stuff all over the place would look at a technical pack and be like, “Oh, hellll no.”” Internal organisation..?  I’ve used tactical bags as school bags, work bags, hiking day bags for nearly 10 years because they look cool, well before I started thinking about prepping I’ve never been military or police but I feel what you say about molle/palls, once you get use to using a system like that, everything you might want access to regularly goes in a pouch on the outside of the bag so you don’t need to open it to get them, in some cases you don’t even need to take it off, it just becomes easer especially when know by feel where everything always is, even in the dark, but I’m willing to give it up to save weight and have a bag that properly fits me I guess the compromise is to have a few internal pockets/external pockets and divide things in the main compartment, I got use to bags with internal organisation so I should be able to get use to living without it

@pnwsarah you have a good point about the difference between a technical pack and an ultralight pack, I haven’t ever tried out an “ultralight” pack, but I had a good look at one owned by a friend on a hiking trip once, it had no frame to save weight and the fabric was soooooo thin I would never trust it. I personally also think that the addition of a decent frame makes the pack feel lighter even if it adds 0.5Kg so I don’t think I would ever go down the “ultralight” route However you are quite correct that an ordinary modern technical pack is lightweight compared to anything tactical, or even the old cheap backpacking bags I have used in the past. so I did use that terminology incorrectly, sorry for any confusion I caused 😮  on a different note, I recently acquired a Granite gear perimeter 35L pack. It was second hand (for a very reasonable price) because it’s owner didn’t get on with it, and although I wouldn’t consider it to be an option for my BOB for the following reasons; it’s only top loading, it has virtually no internal organisation, and it’s a little on the small side. (although I don’t think I would ever carry more than 35L, I like the freedom of having a little unused space in case I need to carry something extra) I couldn’t refuse the price so I bought it as a research exercise, it’s interesting to get a proper look at a decent quality modern technical pack, and to give it some testing. The main thing I have confirmed is that the fit is indeed much better than that of any pack I’ve ever had (it will certainly see some use on the hiking trail if not as a BOB), and I was pleasantly surprised by how hard wearing the fabric seems even though it’s thin. It’s first owner used it on two quite long trips and they aren’t the most careful of people, there is no visible snaggs etc… so now I think I have a bench mark for what to look for in a BOB. That is everything the Granite gear perimeter has with the addition of slightly more volume, better access, and maybe a harder wearing method of adjusting the torso length (I might edit the post to add some photo’s if anyone is interested)

I couldn’t agree more with this 🙂 as I said above my BOB is tactical (Direct Action Ghost) but only because when I started getting everything together last year, that was the best pack I already had on hand. I also had a 40L unbranded backpacking pack left over from teenage adventures (when I had no money LOL), it’s both larger and lighter than the tactical pack but the quality is so poor I don’t think I would trust my life to it in an emergency, it already had two broken zippers  😮 Tactical packs do have certain advantages; good internal organisation, durability, molle/palls (very useful), cammo colors, easy access, lots of straps on the outside etc… …but I’ll need to replace my BOB soon with something a bit larger (I’m non quite sure what yet – probably in the 40-50L range) and I’ve already decided I won’t be getting a tactical pack. Mainly because the fit of a technical pack with a light weight frame is so much better. And there’s the weight to consider, last time I had my BOB (the ghost) empty I weighed it, at 2.3Kg, most good modern 40-50L technical packs are around the 1.5Kg mark, and the ghost only has a 31.5L capacity Durability is the only thing that makes me wonder if I should go back on this decision, all that modern lightweight stuff must sacrifice some build quality? and you can’t go wrong with thick nylon, but on thinking about it, my BOB tent is already made from “all that modern lightweight stuff” so maybe I shouldn’t worry about it? —– Disclaimer: For writing this I only have experience of testing two tactical packs, the Direct Action Ghost and a 5.11 (can’t remember which one) belonging to a friend. So I can’t be sure there aren’t other tactical packs out there that solve these problems


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