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Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

You may want to consider firing up Google translate and going to Vario Mehler’s shop. They sell some pretty good stuff down in Germany. Currently US ITAR screws you if you run NIJ IV or above through without a loicense. However, overseas… Well, there are ways.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

Well, uh, you wouldn’t. I guess that wearing a barebones+low vis plate+soft armor vest would work? I know there are LV plates out on the market for this kinda crap…

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

Iirc HDPE armor had the head issues. UHMWPE still should be kept out of the car though. Ceramic is what you stick into the bottom of a space shuttle as it hurtles through orbit. It’s not going to be affected. The fibers should be fine as well unless you’re going for inhospitable to human life temps. If you’re paying 400 for two Hescos you’ve been ripped off or are pulling 4800s or something even spicier.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

Ceramic itself doesn’t degrade and the fibers won’t either. Both are very structurally stable, so put them somewhere safe and leave them be. Unless they’re routinely exposed to high temps, pressure, they should be fine.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

To be 100% honest, you’d be best served by ceramic. However, if you absolutely are dead set… Try to get a good quality armor steel maker. Get a 10×12, 15×16, whatever, piece, curved as needed. Get someone to cut the armor out. Sand and spray as needed. Soft armor is still your EDC though.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

There was one company that did have some success. It was called Ceraflex, the armor was, and it did have some use. It was a “Type Five” and rated for M993. Wasn’t all that flexy, was still heavy as shit, but it worked. On another note, a rigid segmented armor like LIBA would be the *shit* if you could fine the repair pellets. Damaged ceramic? Pop in new pellets, apply epoxy, boom done back into fight.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

This armor was called Dragon Skin. I call it DragonShit because that’s effectively what it is. It was heavy, at 47.5lbs for IV. Comparison, a set of 4401 large is what, 14lbs? It was prone to failure. The armor was tested by HP White labs and broke almost every time, even dry. It was expensive. Couple thousand per. What you’re talking about seems to be the SOV 5K edition. This was rated for M33 FMJ and weighed in the realm of 50-60lbs. For reference, a 1980s North Ireland, effective against the same at 50m with a 10×12 would run you 24lbs for a front/back.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

I’d advise for budget a soft vest and some Hesco 4401s. If you’ve got disposable income consider trying to grab a few 4610s when they drop. The soft vest will be what you’d wear day to day. It’s paranoia until it’s not, and you/your wife get shot only to slap the other guy’s shit in because you were wearing aramid. I’d float the idea of NIJ 2, unless you want that extra insurance of NIJ 3A. Try to avoid SafeLife, they have Chinese materials, with all the quality control that provides…

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

I kind of want to disagree here. Steel armor should be avoided outright. If shit=sideways, you’re literally better off using the lessened speed to run like hell. Ceramic L3 is basically immune to M193 and M855. It’s good enough for most because you’re not going to need much else. It can handle 7.62x63mm, it’s just that you crack out that rate box of steel core and suddenly poom, through you go.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

Wow the entry line did not age well… On another note, the 4401 is here, and it’s generally that little bit better. I saw a deal a while ago off of BAO for 240ish? AR500… How do you like the idea of being cheesed by any lead cores over 3100fps hitting the plate? As this is 3+, 3200fps does the job. Plus, with their questionable record… The best protection will probably be the 4800 from Hesco, or the 4810, if that ever drops…. The 4600 and the shiny new 4610 are the cool boiz. Note that 46XX declares series and rating it seems, type 4, series 600… The 4600 is dual rated III/IV, but the 4610 is presumably an upgrade somehow. We’ll see. Sometimes you can find stuff like the MH3 CQB out there. These are top dollar plates that you can’t find easily anymore. That plate saved Mike Day when he got blasted. Do note that replacing them will be nearly impossible though… RMA’s 1199 G2 is the final word in multihit that’s ez access… But it’s not NIJ certed because they’re waiting on .07. come on NIJ, you said 2019…

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Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

You may want to consider firing up Google translate and going to Vario Mehler’s shop. They sell some pretty good stuff down in Germany. Currently US ITAR screws you if you run NIJ IV or above through without a loicense. However, overseas… Well, there are ways.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

Well, uh, you wouldn’t. I guess that wearing a barebones+low vis plate+soft armor vest would work? I know there are LV plates out on the market for this kinda crap…

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

Iirc HDPE armor had the head issues. UHMWPE still should be kept out of the car though. Ceramic is what you stick into the bottom of a space shuttle as it hurtles through orbit. It’s not going to be affected. The fibers should be fine as well unless you’re going for inhospitable to human life temps. If you’re paying 400 for two Hescos you’ve been ripped off or are pulling 4800s or something even spicier.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

Ceramic itself doesn’t degrade and the fibers won’t either. Both are very structurally stable, so put them somewhere safe and leave them be. Unless they’re routinely exposed to high temps, pressure, they should be fine.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

To be 100% honest, you’d be best served by ceramic. However, if you absolutely are dead set… Try to get a good quality armor steel maker. Get a 10×12, 15×16, whatever, piece, curved as needed. Get someone to cut the armor out. Sand and spray as needed. Soft armor is still your EDC though.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

There was one company that did have some success. It was called Ceraflex, the armor was, and it did have some use. It was a “Type Five” and rated for M993. Wasn’t all that flexy, was still heavy as shit, but it worked. On another note, a rigid segmented armor like LIBA would be the *shit* if you could fine the repair pellets. Damaged ceramic? Pop in new pellets, apply epoxy, boom done back into fight.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

This armor was called Dragon Skin. I call it DragonShit because that’s effectively what it is. It was heavy, at 47.5lbs for IV. Comparison, a set of 4401 large is what, 14lbs? It was prone to failure. The armor was tested by HP White labs and broke almost every time, even dry. It was expensive. Couple thousand per. What you’re talking about seems to be the SOV 5K edition. This was rated for M33 FMJ and weighed in the realm of 50-60lbs. For reference, a 1980s North Ireland, effective against the same at 50m with a 10×12 would run you 24lbs for a front/back.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

I’d advise for budget a soft vest and some Hesco 4401s. If you’ve got disposable income consider trying to grab a few 4610s when they drop. The soft vest will be what you’d wear day to day. It’s paranoia until it’s not, and you/your wife get shot only to slap the other guy’s shit in because you were wearing aramid. I’d float the idea of NIJ 2, unless you want that extra insurance of NIJ 3A. Try to avoid SafeLife, they have Chinese materials, with all the quality control that provides…

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

I kind of want to disagree here. Steel armor should be avoided outright. If shit=sideways, you’re literally better off using the lessened speed to run like hell. Ceramic L3 is basically immune to M193 and M855. It’s good enough for most because you’re not going to need much else. It can handle 7.62x63mm, it’s just that you crack out that rate box of steel core and suddenly poom, through you go.

Reply to: The best bulletproof body armor when SHTF Posted May 22, 2020

Wow the entry line did not age well… On another note, the 4401 is here, and it’s generally that little bit better. I saw a deal a while ago off of BAO for 240ish? AR500… How do you like the idea of being cheesed by any lead cores over 3100fps hitting the plate? As this is 3+, 3200fps does the job. Plus, with their questionable record… The best protection will probably be the 4800 from Hesco, or the 4810, if that ever drops…. The 4600 and the shiny new 4610 are the cool boiz. Note that 46XX declares series and rating it seems, type 4, series 600… The 4600 is dual rated III/IV, but the 4610 is presumably an upgrade somehow. We’ll see. Sometimes you can find stuff like the MH3 CQB out there. These are top dollar plates that you can’t find easily anymore. That plate saved Mike Day when he got blasted. Do note that replacing them will be nearly impossible though… RMA’s 1199 G2 is the final word in multihit that’s ez access… But it’s not NIJ certed because they’re waiting on .07. come on NIJ, you said 2019…