I should have said that regardless of what may happen this winter, it’s a good idea to take D3, zinc, and C every day. We’re taking 5000 IU D3, 500 mg zinc, and 1,000 mg C every day. Many studies have shown how this prevents or greatly ameliorates Covid should it occur. The government of every country in the world should make this known to every resident, and make them available in areas which might not otherwise have access to them.

I don’t think there’s any way to know yet. Antibodies often fade rapidly, even within weeks or months. Maybe there’s still t-cell or other cellular immunity, but this has not been established in a large-scale study. If some children may be protected because they had recently had another, cold-type coronavirus, this probably means that any protection fades rapidly, since nearly everyone in the world has presumably had cold-type coronaviruses (though cold-type rhinoviruses and adenoviruses are still more common). Do 13% of Swedes in Stockholm still have antibodies? It was only about 3% in all of Sweden. Was whatever they got worth the lives of the 6,000 Swedes who died, while locked-down Norway only had about 200 deaths? Do 20% of those in NYC still have antibodies? There are several strains, what difference does that make? Probably the most important thing happening now is the so-called false positives. The PSA test was erroneously calibrated at the beginning, culturing samples, concentrating them, then doing it again, often 40 times. But those not positive at 25 or 30 times have no symptoms and are not sick. It would be better to change the testing criteria and say that if you’re not positive at thirty times, you’re not positive, period, even though you may have a tiny amount of the virus and are positive if you do the culturing forty times.

And I thought WE had drainage problems!

Thank you for this information. I’ll read it again more carefully.  He and his wife never evacuated, they were in a yellow zone very close to a red zone. I told him several times on Wednesday that they needed to get out, and said I wouldn’t spend the night there. Tuesday night fire fighters went door to door in the level 3 areas telling people to get out. But they didn’t, even when the winds changed to south winds. But they’re all right. He sent this video showing the damage from a helicopter. https://jacksoncountyor.org/sheriff/News/almeda-fire-fly-over-9-8-2020-1

I think they haven’t really researched it. This says that while acids kill viruses, and vinegar is a acid, it likely isn’t strong enough (the word used here, likely.) https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/6703882/coronavirus-covid-19-cleaning-vinegar/amp/ The wife of the Chinese  Prime Minister recommended in March that Chinese women use vinegar to kill coronavirus. She says the shell of the virus is very fragile and it’s easy to disrupt it and kill it. That’s why any kind of soap will kill it. https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/ho-ching-says-lemon-lime-or-vinegar-enough-to-kill-coronavirus-because-its-fragile/ar-BB10Ogkk?li=BBr8Cnr Not that that proves anything, but it’s suggestive. This isn’t where I first read it, but it’s the same idea. We used to use vinegar to kill germs when cleaning small pet enclosures, litter boxes, and today the dog threw up in her crate: I poured vinegar in it to disinfect and clean it.  I think cleaning kitchen counters with vinegar would probably kill germs while not harming pets on the counter or people who ate things that had touched the counter. Bleach is a carcinogen. I use it, but rarely and with caution. I’ll look at the health food store and the supermarket to see if they have the Seventh Generation disinfectant. Thanks!

I have a friend in Medford, Oregon. I wrote this morning and asked for updates on his situation. He said yesterday he could see the fire from his house. That they’re under a level 2 evacuation. He said the winds are now in the north, which he thinks will avert the danger. I told him winds can change quickly and the fires move very fast. We’ve been discussing this for at least a month, but now it’s urgent. I read that most people in Medford have already evacuated. I told him to get important docs, food, and water, and get out now. Sleep in their car at a public park if necessary, as far away from the fires as possible. I’m sure facilities will be provided. Does anyone have additional advice I could give him? I’ve never been to that area.

I just came back to this article. I have a friend in Medford, Oregon, who wrote today to say that he could see the fire yesterday. And I saw truly terrifying photos at the Washington Post today on that particular fire.  I was looking for advice on quick evacuation to send to him. He said the winds are now in the north, which he thought would avert the danger. If it were me, I’d get the hell out now. Anyone have any advice? Are the shelters in another town?

I was interested in the article linked about the reaction to the Oxford vaccine. I sent it to a couple of friends, one in London, so he’s probably already read about this. The article says that it is believed that the man who reacted may have transverse myelitis, which may cause permanent paralysis. It said that a similar reaction had occurred earlier in someone else. I told my friends that I was surprised the authorities in England seemed to be very upset about the reaction, which, if you read the package inserts, is an autoimmune reaction which can be caused by any vaccine. Not surprising, not that unusual. But it shouldn’t derail the vaccine program. The vaccine may be effective, no vaccine is “safe.” Everyone should read the list of reported reactions on the package inserts of several vaccines, and make a decision as to whether to get it or not, but in full knowledge that it may cause very serious and permanent adverse events. Any vaccine can, and very frequently if you include conditions like asthma. Or it may save you from a disabling or fatal case of Covid.

Good to know! I wanted a spray safe for surfaces because one of our cats likes to jump up on the counters, and I wouldn’t spray them with bleach or Lysol because she might lick her feet and get cancer. Unfortunately that Seventh Generation spray is sold out everywhere. I think a vinegar solution is also effective and safe.

I agree with most of what you have said. I think the lockdowns in March and April were necessary and effective to a considerable degree. And I agree that we can’t stay in lockdown indefinitely: many are going hungry. I only differ in thinking that benchmarks should be set which would trigger certain courses of action, as they already are in many places. So over a certain number of positives, diagnosis of symptomatic cases, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, or whatever, based on 10,000 or 100,000 population, automatic lockdown, only online learning, etc., would come into effect until a lower benchmark was reached, which would loosen restrictions. Tomas Pueyo’s dance.

Thank you. I would be interested in knowing what information I have described or linked that you think is incorrect. If it is correct, then the sites which publish it are not important. Since making valid treatment decisions in many cases is a matter of life or death, considering the factual nature of the information is what is important.  I respect your desire to support discussion of other viewpoints which I believe are fact-based.

I just got one automatic upvote. Will you change it to negative two right away this time to express your disapproval?

Now my zeros have been changed to negative one. Wouldn’t it be better to bring evidence to bear on what I have said? The articles I have linked contain dozens of relevant facts which cannot be obliterated by querelous cancelling.

Darn it, I’ve lost all my automatic upvotes again.

An anti-parasitic drug, Ivermectin, has been found to provide very effective treatment of Covid, especially when given with doxycycline. It has become the standard of care in India. Ivermectin is a remarkably safe and inexpensive drug.

I just saw this meta study comparing outcomes for countries using or limiting early treatment with HCQ. https://hcqtrial.com

Jon, I saw that you had said your father had Covid in the aftermath of Laura. How is he? Has he been hospitalized? I have prayed for his recovery.

Elsevier is a pharma player and any publication sponsored by it must be read with a very critical eye. Its meta study looked only at studies carried out on hospitalized patients. While HCQ (especially when given with azithromycin  and zinc) does have benefits when given later in the disease, the study carried out at the Henry Ford institute showing that it halved deaths, it is most beneficial when given in the first two days of symptoms. The recommended dose is 400 mg once a day. So what were researchers in the U.K. RECOVER trial thinking when they gave it as 2400 mg a day, three doses of 800 mg? Hoping for adverse reactions? Everyone should at least read the following before making up his mind to support or reject the availability of this treatment. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/hydroxychloroquine-works-in-high-risk-patients-and-saying-otherwise-is-dangerous%3f_amp=true https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/27/why-are-medical-authorities-playing-games-with-covid-treatments/?fbclid=IwAR2A6ZWS_5hiAKn2wEpcvGAvHbAPTJgEaDNmIxe2FqtmrTPVo8HrDByVhFs