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Jonnie – I’ve been thinking more about urban bugging out and how that would affect my preps and gear selection. I think many of us have little wood burning stoves or plan to cook by camp fire, but in an urban environment like a Walmart parking lot, that might be a rare resource to find. Especially if everyone else is thinking the same way. So you will have to plan a head of time and pack your own fuel. Same goes with water. In the woods we may hunt for a stream and gather from there, but how much or where will you source water from in a Walmart parking lot? Maybe you will think of carrying around a silcock key so you can tap into the side of the building’s water supply. I can just imagine someone doing that and other thirsty people watching you do that. They will rush you and spread the word that you now have access to water. Walmart will see and catch you guys tapping into it and place someone out there to guard that access point. Maybe if you were all alone and could do it stealthily, but if the whole parking lot is full of tents and other people camping out there, it will be hard to pull off. I’m not poo-pooing your ideas and plans but just bringing up that with urban bugging out, we will need to plan accordingly and might have to pack more resources like water or ways to source water than if we were in the woods where that and other resources might be more plentiful.  Same goes with bugging out to the woods though. There are certain conveniences, supplies, and resources that are more common in an urban environment than in the woods such as a working toilet and electricity. We just need to plan accordingly.

I totally missed this topic but am glad that it got featured up at the top. I’ve always been under the assumption as well that bugging out = camping in the woods. Many other preppers and even normies plan to bug out to the countryside, hills, or mountains because they think that’s where the farmers are with an abundance of food, or that’s where all the deer and fish live. But they will quickly note that there isn’t a bounty of food up there. It’s the romanticized version of bugging out. As I have participated in this forum, I am seeing that an urban bug out is more likely. Lets go back to our threat model. Right now, (enter username here), what do you think is the most likely situations you will face where you will need to use your preps? Job loss, health issue, heat wave, food shortage, and things like that are probably the most likely most of us will experience. And those all don’t require bugging out. Now lets consider your house flooding or burning down (also much more common than many other situations), will you then just grab your bug out bag and go live in the woods with your house burnt down? NO! You will rent out a hotel room or stay with family and friends while you work through insurance claims. Now lets say that a wildfire or earthquake come through and destroy your entire city and neighboring cities, will you then go bug out to the woods? NO! You will move a couple cities or even a state over and live in a hotel or apartment while you rebuild your life. It’s not until you think of the extremely rare and unlikely that you would get to the bugging out to the woods position such as a high death rate pandemic, nuclear blast, or severe civil unrest nationwide. I can see myself bugging out to the woods for something like that. THANK YOU Jonnie for creating this forum topic and making me think about this entire situation. You finally have swayed me to redo my bug out bag to a mostly urban style of bugging out. I sure will still keep some things in there like a lighter, and mini stove, but will plan more around grabbing my entire bag and having everything I need in there to live out of a hotel with.


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Jonnie – I’ve been thinking more about urban bugging out and how that would affect my preps and gear selection. I think many of us have little wood burning stoves or plan to cook by camp fire, but in an urban environment like a Walmart parking lot, that might be a rare resource to find. Especially if everyone else is thinking the same way. So you will have to plan a head of time and pack your own fuel. Same goes with water. In the woods we may hunt for a stream and gather from there, but how much or where will you source water from in a Walmart parking lot? Maybe you will think of carrying around a silcock key so you can tap into the side of the building’s water supply. I can just imagine someone doing that and other thirsty people watching you do that. They will rush you and spread the word that you now have access to water. Walmart will see and catch you guys tapping into it and place someone out there to guard that access point. Maybe if you were all alone and could do it stealthily, but if the whole parking lot is full of tents and other people camping out there, it will be hard to pull off. I’m not poo-pooing your ideas and plans but just bringing up that with urban bugging out, we will need to plan accordingly and might have to pack more resources like water or ways to source water than if we were in the woods where that and other resources might be more plentiful.  Same goes with bugging out to the woods though. There are certain conveniences, supplies, and resources that are more common in an urban environment than in the woods such as a working toilet and electricity. We just need to plan accordingly.

I totally missed this topic but am glad that it got featured up at the top. I’ve always been under the assumption as well that bugging out = camping in the woods. Many other preppers and even normies plan to bug out to the countryside, hills, or mountains because they think that’s where the farmers are with an abundance of food, or that’s where all the deer and fish live. But they will quickly note that there isn’t a bounty of food up there. It’s the romanticized version of bugging out. As I have participated in this forum, I am seeing that an urban bug out is more likely. Lets go back to our threat model. Right now, (enter username here), what do you think is the most likely situations you will face where you will need to use your preps? Job loss, health issue, heat wave, food shortage, and things like that are probably the most likely most of us will experience. And those all don’t require bugging out. Now lets consider your house flooding or burning down (also much more common than many other situations), will you then just grab your bug out bag and go live in the woods with your house burnt down? NO! You will rent out a hotel room or stay with family and friends while you work through insurance claims. Now lets say that a wildfire or earthquake come through and destroy your entire city and neighboring cities, will you then go bug out to the woods? NO! You will move a couple cities or even a state over and live in a hotel or apartment while you rebuild your life. It’s not until you think of the extremely rare and unlikely that you would get to the bugging out to the woods position such as a high death rate pandemic, nuclear blast, or severe civil unrest nationwide. I can see myself bugging out to the woods for something like that. THANK YOU Jonnie for creating this forum topic and making me think about this entire situation. You finally have swayed me to redo my bug out bag to a mostly urban style of bugging out. I sure will still keep some things in there like a lighter, and mini stove, but will plan more around grabbing my entire bag and having everything I need in there to live out of a hotel with.


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